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More relevant for sure, but not as funny.

You know what else is funny?  Clinton is now the only Presidential candidate not to have voiced anti-vaccine conspiracy theories  :lulz:

Oh god why. Why is this happening. How did we get here? This is not what 2016 was supposed to be like.  :horrormirth: :horrormirth: :horrormirth:

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You know, right now I hate both of you because your conversation is both navel-gazing and puerile. Obviously one of you is stupider than the other, so I'll try to dignify Fernando Poo with an answer tomorrow when I'm less filled with contempt.

In the meantime, I'll leave you with a couple of things to think about.

What is "fundamentally different"?

Are children fundamentally different from adults?

Are horses fundamentally different from badgers?



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Humans ARE just animals. The type of animals we call Homo sapiens. Other species may have, or reach, the type of intelligence we have. I absolutely do not buy into that "God breathed life into us and that makes us super special and different from all the others" crap. I don't even understand why anyone would WANT to feel like humans are fundamentally different from all the other animals; what a bleak, lonely, alienated existence that would be.

Although, now that I think about it like that, it kind of explains a lot about Western civilization.

I find it hard to hold people responsible for their actions if I see them as the same kind of animal as every other animal.

We have the ability to make or break the world, and everything in it. We're not holy. We have more responsibility than other animals, and should. Every member of this board that's worth a damn has demonstrated that responsibility in one way or another.

I mean, obviously we shouldn't start holding dogs accountable for dog fighting. They did the fighting, but we had the complexity and BADWRONG in us to force them to do it. We can choose to be better than other animals, or we can choose to be lower than other animals.

I mean, if you treat something or someone as if they have more responsibility than another, that is a fundamental difference, is it not?

But is that something intrinsic to humans? Do you think that other animals could have evolved to fill this niche, or that others might in the future?

Do you think it's ever appropriate to hold another animal responsible for its actions, or to try to teach them to modify their behavior?

Being an animal doesn't negate free will.

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:lulz:  oh my god.

Who's on the outreach committee? It's fucking golden.

Someone should send her a link to Alty's sweet potato recipe.

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Humans ARE just animals. The type of animals we call Homo sapiens. Other species may have, or reach, the type of intelligence we have. I absolutely do not buy into that "God breathed life into us and that makes us super special and different from all the others" crap. I don't even understand why anyone would WANT to feel like humans are fundamentally different from all the other animals; what a bleak, lonely, alienated existence that would be.

Although, now that I think about it like that, it kind of explains a lot about Western civilization.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Zoophilia and Industrial Meat
« on: Yesterday at 11:42:56 pm »
We've seen quite a range of intro posts before but damn.

Yeah, this was in the top 10, with a bullet.   :lulz:

Aww~! I'm glad to make a lovely first impression. I'm super aroused by the various ideas lofting through this forum, so I definitely wanted to jump in.

The politics of paraphilias is a current interest. Often they r great places to find where definitions break down. In another thread about pornography, I posted a tidbit from wikipedia: "Wisconsin U.S.A. (2007) - Bryan James Hathaway was convicted for having sex with a dead deer. The court case raised some interesting legal issues because the statute prohibits sex with animals, but not with carcasses. The defense raised the issue that if a dead animal was an animal, at what point would it cease to be an animal?"

That last sentence shows a peculiar question. Indeed, when is a dead animal no longer an animal and just an assemblage of organ? At what point is it considered dirt? Perhaps we could broaden our vocabulary to include at least 39 different types of decay.

And the corresponding question, at what point when is a piece of meat no longer a piece of meat, and becomes a dead animal? Is it bestiality to masturbate with a steak? How about a whole roasting chicken?

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Zoophilia and Industrial Meat
« on: Yesterday at 11:41:03 pm »
While I disagree with the direction, as in, I'd rather see a change in the meat industry over acceptance of zoophilia, I do find this person's ability to take our society by the neck, and rub our fucking nose in the shit we've created to be outstanding. I'm not supporting the views, but I'm referring this person for Discordian Sainthood.

Your friend should stop fucking goats, but I like what you've done with the place.

You make a great point, here.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Futurism up for discussion.
« on: Yesterday at 11:38:38 pm »

As for the economy, meh, I think that shit is toast and we'll need a new one.


It doesn't work that way.  No.  You cannot just hand out Newbux and make everything okay.  You can't even get rid of the federal reserve (if you're the kind of person that wants to). You can't go back to silver and you can't go back to gold (there isn't enough of either), and if you just replace one fiat currency with another, the problems all remain PLUS less people have confidence in it.

We're going to have to figure out how to fix THIS one.

I wonder if a low-value, universal commodity, like fresh water, might not serve as a commodity basis for a universal currency. Otherwise I don't think that the system can be fixed given the unfortunate priorities in our value systems.

If shit gets bad enough those values could change dramatically whether we want them to or not.

Ummmmm

I am just going to assume that the rest of the board already took care of answering this.

Yeah. ITT I discovered how a simple seeming idea can get millions dead. Going to switch over to attempting to ask intelligent questions should any occur to me rather than blather about what I think.

I find that a useful strategy in most situations, myself.

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This. This story. This person belongs on here. They know things. THEY KNOW. http://thebibliosphere.tumblr.com/post/145440454846/ridiculously-easy
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Ridiculously Easy.

“Ridiculously easy buttermilk biscuits!” You click the link. It’s a novella about finding inner peace in suburbia. You never knew you were disturbed till now.

“Ridiculously easy green beans!” You click the link, there are twelve ingredients. None of them are green beans.

“Ridiculously easy salted pistachio caramel latte coffee cake in three easy steps!” You click the link. There are twelve steps.
 
“Ridiculously easy marshmallow fondant!“ You click the link. It’s another novella about suburbia, this time about the dangers of feeding chemicals to your children. You wonder when you acquired these children and worry about their eyes. They are too bright, too happy, too shining…

“Ridiculously easy evaporated milk custard!*” *Must own own cow.

“Ridiculously easy shortcake in 12 steps!” You click the link. There are no steps.

“Ridiculously easy, easy to make, easy in three minutes, easy!” It doesn’t tell you what you’re making but you’re pretty certain it shouldn’t be hissing.

“Ridiculously easy,” the article reads, “easy, it’s so easy, easy” you hear laughing. Your face hurts why does your face hurt?

“It’s so easy,” you tell you friends, your smile is not your own. You can feel your teeth growing, “so easy, you’ll hardly feel a thing!”

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In fact, I think I'm going to post that on my wall and see how many people I can piss off today. BRB.

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I have a certain group of friends trying really hard to convince me to waste my vote writing in bernie.

I just don't understand.  Nobody likes Clinton, but how is keeping Trump away from political power not the #1 goal of this election???

People have gotten pretty mad at me for posting my opinion on that. I find them horrifying, in a DEAR GOD IS THAT GRANDMA WHY IS SHE COVERED IN LEECHES HOW ARE THERE SO MANY LEECHES kind of way, and they find me rude.

In the 24 hours since I said Clinton haters on facebook sounding like they wanted to wear her as a skin suit, I have seen 0 Clinton hating posts.

I'm calling that a victory.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

One thing I have been having a hard time wrapping my mind around is how they feel like it's fine for them to post on Facebook about how evil and horrible she is, and how they just can't in good conscience vote for her... and it IS fine for them to post that shit, it's their wall, their opinions, they can go to town on a turd pony if they want to, it's none of my damn business - but if someone posts something on their own wall about how horrified they are at the ramifications of NOT voting for Clinton, they jump onto that person's post as if they are being VICIOUSLY, CRUELLY ATTACKED, CONDESCENDED TO, GUILT TRIPPED, and PERSONALLY MALIGNED. C'mon, man. If that reactivity isn't driven by cognitive dissonance, I don't know what is.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Futurism up for discussion.
« on: Yesterday at 05:19:43 pm »
I'm imagining a future where collective humanity starts becoming so scientifically advance that it would lead itself into existential paranoia.

We, collectively, begin recognizing that our material reality has no exact specificity. We come to a point where we cannot measure quantities and lengths; a society that realizes a table is not 1 meter long, but actually 1.002735483946493493644894 meters long and still unable to grasp its exact length.

The future is a society which has lost its footing in semantics. We begin to lose sense of qualitative words such as adjectives. Is a movie exciting, or is our nervous system creating the excitement within us, or is it found in the photons colliding into our retinas? What exactly is this sensation we call "exciting"?

 The future is a society that recognizes biology on a very intimate level:

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Eventually humanity goes insane in the chaotic void of existential anguish/mania. Only a few survive a mass suicide - The spiritually ascended and the hopelessly ignorant.

Totally, that's why all molecular and cellular biologists have wilted into puddles of existential angst and just can't function.

Oh wait, nope, that's not it. Turns out that problem goes away after you leave intellectual adolescence.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Futurism up for discussion.
« on: Yesterday at 05:16:02 pm »

As for the economy, meh, I think that shit is toast and we'll need a new one.


It doesn't work that way.  No.  You cannot just hand out Newbux and make everything okay.  You can't even get rid of the federal reserve (if you're the kind of person that wants to). You can't go back to silver and you can't go back to gold (there isn't enough of either), and if you just replace one fiat currency with another, the problems all remain PLUS less people have confidence in it.

We're going to have to figure out how to fix THIS one.

I wonder if a low-value, universal commodity, like fresh water, might not serve as a commodity basis for a universal currency. Otherwise I don't think that the system can be fixed given the unfortunate priorities in our value systems.

If shit gets bad enough those values could change dramatically whether we want them to or not.

Ummmmm

I am just going to assume that the rest of the board already took care of answering this.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: One Community
« on: Yesterday at 05:15:11 pm »
I have to say, if this feels like trolling he probably shouldn't apply for any grants (of which there are many out there - I wonder if he is aware of this or has grantwriting experience?) because they will be much harder on him when they return his grant proposal the first time.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: One Community
« on: Yesterday at 05:09:57 pm »
For absence of doubt and total clarity, I'm not trolling.

Your answers lack any substance to relatively simple questions. Answers provided raise red flags like drunk day at NASCAR.

I kind of want to link him to a real CV. It's possible that he doesn't know what one looks like. Also to some of the many small communities around the world who are already doing what he wants to do, but on a small scale. I would normally anticipate that someone spearheading such a project would already be familiar with many ongoing sustainability projects and have worked for or with several of them, but since he doesn't have a CV I can't tell who he's worked with or what his experience is.

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