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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Pain Ray being tested in US Prison
« on: April 02, 2011, 12:03:12 am »
Am I the only one that has repeatedly skimmed the topic titles and read this one as Priya Rai?

**Recording.  Tunnel 9 Operations.  6/24/13  0534**

"Sams, you said you'd met Payne before, right?"

"Of course.  Actually surprised you haven't.  For the leader of such a big thing he's quite accessible."

"Never said I haven't.  What was your read on him?"

"Brilliant, but not so much in the way, say Einstein was brilliant.  I mean, maybe he is but I couldn't know that.  No, more like he had answers to things.  Questions we never even thought of before.  Why do you ask?"

"Looking into a theory I have."

"Another one?  Maybe you should apply all this thinking to Nessies instead of Payneites.  Hell, you could probably think them to death."

"All these vids I don't know I've seen a single person think in the presence of a Nessie."

"Oh yes, the dumb servohead fixation you've got."

"No, I mean those creatures get you working on an instinctual level.  You either fight them because it's what you were born to do, or you focus all your thoughts on not running away and fight them anyway.  I reckon the deep thinkers are the ones with their suits sliced open and sunk to the bottom of the muck."

"Ah.  Well what was this about Payne this time?"

"Got trapped in a conversation with a servohead lately.  Try to avoid those, they're an unnerving bunch.  Never can tell when they're on the juice, actually.  Well he started talking about Payne.  Painted this picture of the fella like some glorious leader, a regular Napoleon, standing to lead his men on the morning of a great victory.  Started talking about sermons delivered with hellfire, mad prophet's words that stir your soul, like.
Got me wondering if this was the same bloke I met."

"I suppose he's like any other person.  Rises to meet the occasion and such.  Does what's necessary."

"Thought that too, but this is something else.  It's like they're talking about a whole other person.  You have the guy gazing in the beyond, they've got him lighting fires in their heads."

"Well, what do you see in Payne?"

"I see a regular fellow.  Same as you or me.  Maybe a bit on the wilder side, someone you'd have a pint with, not talk about the weather.  Seemed like he didn't even choose to be in the position he's in, like he doesn't want it.  And I don't mean doesn't want to fight Nessies, but doesn't want to have such a following, even.  But he does it anyway."

"Here I thought you didn't like the guy."

"Never said that.  Actually if it's going to be anybody leading these folk I'd prefer it be him.  The worst thing that could happen would be someone getting such devotion and actually wanting that."

"So it's not as bad as you were talking about earlier tonight.  As if this whole thing'll blow up if - when we're done with the Nessies."

"Questionable.  I hear that Christ fellow was a good sort in his day as well, and look how that turned out when he wasn't around."

"It's like you said, though.  At least he doesn't want it like this.  At least he knows he's got responsibilities and such to turn it out for the best."

"Yeah, but who says I'm right?"

"You do, most often."

"Funny.  But if you see him your way and the servoheads see him theirs, what's to say I don't just see him as reluctant leader because it's what I want to see?  And I don't know what's more frightening.  That I don't know what he's really like, or that he might not either."

**End Recording.**

Alright, I watched it through.  Had to, you understand.  I can see the hatedom, but the Rebecca Black video is more important than what it's being made out to be.

I decided, precisely at 3:27 into the video, that this is not the "FUN FUN FUN" loving girl the internet has made her out to be.  Look at that clip, the only clip like it in the whole video.  She's screaming in madness, in a smoky, dark, red lighted room, alone.

Now look back on the rest of the video.  Does her smile seem genuine?  Her movements a little forced?  It looks like she's seen people having 'FUN FUN FUN" but never achieved it before.  As though she's in her little room, wanting so badly to have "FUN FUN FUN" but just can't, so she mimics it, in a desperate hope that the mere movements will bring her closer to the "FUN FUN FUN," to the "PARTY-IN PARTY-IN YEAH."

In fact, it's so clearly a figment of her imagination that it seems almost like she's never actually been to a party, or ridden down the highway with her friends.  Do young teens wait outside the door to a house party like a red carpet, attracting their neighbors' attention?  Does hair stay perfectly still while sitting in a convertible going down the highway?  Worse, I'm not certain, judging by how her and her "friends" are sitting, that she's even sat in a car before.

Whatever is going on here, and I'm disturbed to have been privy to it, it is not "FUN FUN FUN."  Don't hate this girl who just wants some semblance of sanity in her existence.

Instead, I propose we SAVE REBECCA BLACK.

Beyond the wall / Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
« on: April 01, 2011, 04:04:32 pm »
Well, I know I'm in the minority on this one.  Everyone "knows" the Kitty Genovese case was an example of "diffusion of responsibility", so they use that as a shorthand.

Because it's used as shorthand, everyone knows what it's referring to.

What bugs me is that the actual Kitty Genovese case, not the one that everyone uses as shorthand, was not an instance of diffusion of responsibility.

So, we end up with two Kitty Genoveses.  One where 38 people watched or listened to her being murdered, and one where someone noticed and said something, another was drunk, and where Kitty's lungs were punctured so she couldn't scream.

I don't doubt that the diffusion of responsibility effect is real.  I've seen it in action.  What bugs me is that people are ossifying a lie to explain a truth.

I can dig that.

Beyond the wall / Re: Okaaaaaay...
« on: April 01, 2011, 04:02:07 pm »

Beyond the wall / Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
« on: April 01, 2011, 03:41:52 pm »
The Kitty Genovese case is usually one of the first cited for the "diffusion of responsibility" phenomenon, which is actually very common.  It's not that nobody cares, it's that the more people witnessing something happen, the less likely it is anyone will do something about it.  They'll all assume someone else will handle it.

That's why in CPR training, they teach people not to yell out "someone go get the AED (automated electronic defibrilator, I think)."  They teach you to point to a person, specifically, and tell them to find an AED.

The concept I like.  I can see apathy being one of the new deadly sins, but the deadly sins are very much something that people succumb to.  Diffusion of responsibility isn't so much a sin as it is a very basic level of reaction.

« on: April 01, 2011, 02:18:38 am »
I vote Jenne.   8)

**Recording.  Tunnel 9 Operations.  6/24/13  0255**

"When was the last time I told you you're a bloody fool?"

"Actually that specific choice of words, this is the first."

"Mark it, it's nearly eleven in the morning."

"This again?  It's two fifty-five a.m."

"One day you'll see the benefits of Hayesian Standard.  Oh, scratch that, you'll get killed before then because you're signing up to be a tin of meat fighting nature's most efficient tin openers!"

"What makes you so sure I'll get killed?"

"Have you ever put on the power armor?"

"Not as such."

"Have you ever held a sword?"

"Well no."

"Have you even ever been in a fistfight?  Look, don't answer that, none of the answers matter.  I'm sure you'll get killed because they all get killed."

"The Old Man hasn't."

"Oh The Old Man hasn't, alright, well then you best get to training to be a grizzled old fucker.  It starts twenty years before you were born."

"Not everyone gets killed, Hayes, and getting killed is besides the point.  It's doing the right thing."

"The right thing is being an Operator that most of those servoheads would kill to be brainy enough to accomplish.  So as to avoid the whole wading around in human shit in a suit that sticks a plug up your arse."

"And recruits keep coming to do just that."

"Let me tell you why recruits keep coming to Payne.  It's religious fervor of a kind never seen.  Not that it's any more powerful than, say, the Crusades, but that it's a new type.  It's never been done."

"What's that?"

"Every religion grows by its sell.  Have you accepted Christ in your heart, or do you know of the Buddha or some shite.  You follow?"

"Of course."

"Now a nation grows strong on its sense of duty.  The yanks had the 'ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country' bit, and it works.  Sacrifice of the people to make the cause stronger."

"What's this got to do with Payneism?"

"The fundamental difference between the two is this.  Your common religion says, basically, 'you need us.'  It attracts the impoverished, the guilty, the weak, not to make the goal more real but to just be a part of something bigger.  It's solace.
Payneites are fed the opposite.  'We need you.'  It's a recognition of the strength of the individual it's being told to.  It's a sense of duty, the kind that's mixed with a religious strength.  That's the scariest bit, too, because the Payneites aren't even hiding it - they call their troops bloody Templars!"

"You and I have talked about this before, though, in a sense.  Payne might not be doing the best thing, but at least he's doing something."

"That's true, but ask yourself this.  Say we win this.  Say The Old man steps into the sewers tomorrow and slays every last Nessie.  What then?"

"I suppose we'd all go home."

"Maybe you would, and that's probably what makes you an Operator.  The servoheads?  They just going to waltz back into a normal life soon as it's all done?  That's why this whole thing is dangerous.  You've got a group of drug addled killers whose primary existence is based on the idea that they're needed.  Either you tell them they aren't needed any more when the Nessies are dead, or you find them another thing to be needed for."

"I just can't see it turning into all that."

"At least think on it.  And preferably without a servomotor whirring away behind your head."

"Hayes.  You really think it'll all turn into a religious war, after the Nessies?"

"No.  I don't think there'll be an after the Nessies."

**End Recording**

Beyond the wall / Re: Oh, ookums wee anarchists. Look at you.
« on: March 31, 2011, 11:32:51 pm »
"Pulling the Hood" (Britslang for having a wank)
"Having a Wank"
"We're Shit and we know it"
"Pasty faced Apathy"
"Sack of shit"
"Born to be Mild"
or just "Bwaaah"!

BadBeast, can I say that I love that you're so British that your translation out of Britslang is still Britslang.

« on: March 31, 2011, 07:54:35 pm »
Statement about information was a bit vague, true.

Still, not a spider, here, though protesting doesn't seem to help a bit, I've noticed.

Well, you'd protest just as vehemently if you were a spider, right?

I am torn between voting for you or EoC.  Both of you are shifty looking.

That's cool.  Anyone have anything to actually go on?

No, but the Discordians are proving themselves incapable of forming a Cabal this game, so we're on our own.

And you really ARE a shifty-looking bastard.

It's part of my charm!

Statement about information was a bit vague, true.

Still, not a spider, here, though protesting doesn't seem to help a bit, I've noticed.

Well, you'd protest just as vehemently if you were a spider, right?

I am torn between voting for you or EoC.  Both of you are shifty looking.

That's cool.  Anyone have anything to actually go on?

I think shifty was at the top of the list!! :mrgreen:

Oh, in that case.

I accuse all of you.   :argh!:

« on: March 31, 2011, 07:42:04 pm »
Statement about information was a bit vague, true.

Still, not a spider, here, though protesting doesn't seem to help a bit, I've noticed.

Well, you'd protest just as vehemently if you were a spider, right?

I am torn between voting for you or EoC.  Both of you are shifty looking.

That's cool.  Anyone have anything to actually go on?

« on: March 31, 2011, 07:21:41 pm »

HA!  I love the idea of The Old Man as War.

I still haven't decided if he's actually thousands of years old, or if he's just a nutter.

I think I'll leave it open-ended.

I read the part as a very "I was there.  I've always been there.  I'll always be there."  Sounded like War to me, but yeah, it could go either way, and that's the awesome part.

**Recording.  Tunnel 9 Operations.  6/24/13  0142**

"So what's your read on Tom?"





"All those wankers?  She's the reason why."

"Chaplain Baker?  Chaplain Thomas?  Palmer?  Fry?"

"Wanker.  Wanker.  Decent sort.  Wanker."

"Well what about The Old Man?"



"War.  Of the Apocalypse.  Rides a Red Horse.  The Old Man is a rare sort because he's the only one that manages to be perfectly sane and all kinds of hard in the tunnels.  And you can measure the rest of the servoheads by him.
Take a look at the next crew that goes with him.  The ones that seem to fit by him, those are warriors.  The rest, that avoid him or breathe a big sigh of relief when it's over, those are just the psychos and the poor fuckers who signed up for the worst job under the earth.  Got to be something supernatural about him, too; calls me Alec.  Never gave him my first name."

"Yeah, he calls me Sam too."

"Well that's what everyone calls you."

"No, they call me Sams."

"Hold off, your name is Sam Sams?  Oh that's fucking rich."

"Say what you like, I've heard it before.  Usually go by my middle name, anyway.  So what do you think the other horsemen are?"

"Death's easy.  Death is the Nessies.  Famine, now, famine I figure is going to come when the Payne juice runs out."

"Hayes.  Runs out?"

"Said it yourself, this is a top quality drug.  It's not like they're brewing it in the shitter, right?  And you can't exactly make off with some stuff like that without someone noticing.  And the servoheads are getting addicted.  Using more and more of it per troop, plus more troops all the time.  Yeah, I figure Famine will be when we have a bunch of high powered addicts willing to do just about anything for a dose."

"You know I'm not taking it anymore, right?"

"Didn't make much sense for you to, honestly.  It jacks you up, and it seems you needed a calming down more than that."

"I needed to forget, which is why it helped.  But I might need it again."


"I'm thinking about joining the Templars."

"Fuck me.  I think we just found Pestilence.  'S you.  Plague upon my fucking mind."

**End Recording**

« on: March 31, 2011, 01:11:47 pm »
I'm predicting we're going to have a successful subsuming, and that a Discordian will try to convert a Spider and fail, thereby being removed.  Got a guess about the names, too, but let's see if I'm right about the first shot in the dark.

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