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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Random News Stories
« on: December 23, 2014, 08:18:54 am »

Data shows that popular opinion on the use of torture by the U.S. government has subtly shifted since 2004, when Pew Research Center began polling Americans on the subject. Pew asked whether torture used against suspected terrorists to gain important information is justified, finding a majority of respondents (53 percent) said torture could never or only rarely be justified. But over the next five years, public opinion slowly reversed.


I've avoided talking to my dad about this because I figured I could guess his views. I was right. Last night he said 'Everyone knew they were torturing these people. Why does it matter how they were doing it?'

The thing is, the more I've thought about it the more I can see his point.

Everyone HAS known for a long time that America has been torturing and killing with impunity. I suppose there's the issue of the CIA lying about the extent of it and how useful it was... but in the grand scheme of things those don't matter. Would it have made it more acceptable if they'd just been brazen about it?

If you accept a little torture for the right reasons, you have already stopped seeing the victim as human, so it matters very little what else is done to them. And the right wing have been working hard for years to justify that 'little torture'. It works for Jack Baur, right?
That's why all the sordid physical details are only foils for the real, psychological agenda.

Is is unhealthy for that provider to demand escalation. For Christmas, I want them to tango with the venomous serpent of their staff until both are consumed by having lips pulled in, back, out and over their asses, in perpetuity.


Actually employing Swiss army knife :lulz:

The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: The Dark Room
« on: December 17, 2014, 07:54:40 am »
That colonized my mind right back to cape-coast - right on!

The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: Wakie
« on: December 17, 2014, 07:45:11 am »

When I grow up I want to be an alarm clock.
The logo makes me think of Trystero from The Crying of Lot 49.
I can't help thinking that the defining characteristic there was it being a muted horn.

Principia Discussion / Re: What degree are you?
« on: December 17, 2014, 02:03:28 am »

The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: tulpas :^)
« on: December 16, 2014, 07:12:20 pm »
I remember (re: OP) them also being called something like nensha, in the further east?

Sooner or later, the laws of causality dictate that the best phenomenon ever has to occur.
If the best has not yet been, then will it ever necessarily become?

Literate Chaotic / Re: ITT: Original Story Ideas
« on: December 16, 2014, 12:01:13 am »
Iain Banks had a character in one of his books pitch a movie idea - aliens as tourists (the 'elite', which brings to mind retired rockstars and dotcom billionaires), coming to see the eclipse (because - according to the character - our planet is one of the only ones with a perfect lunar eclipse).

I think that could be an interesting setup. The story of a shallow alien who comes for the thrills, and the slow, horrible realization that this kind of utterly mundane and familiar motivation is in fact all there is out there.

Kind of an anti-Lovecraft. We have seen the alien, and understood it completely.

This is even scarier than terrors unutterable and Actually Kind of Droll.  :mittens:
Isn't that sort of the premise of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, though? That the boring shithole existence on earth is representative of the whole universe?

Sort of, but I'm not sure I would classify HHGTTG as "opposite of Lovecraft", if anything it's a bit like Lovecraft's nihilism and cynicism taken further to the point where they are no longer recognizable. Even the profound is meaningless and mediocre, such deities as there are are inept, the universe is doomed (and you can go and gawk at said doom of you have the money), and mindshattering lovecraftian theophanies of cosmic horror can be induced at will using a piece of fairy cake and some fancy electronics. Human life does have a purpose, but it's a trite purpose derived from part of a cynical scheme to profitize philosophy and it effectively does nothing to prevent humanity from being destroyed.
The Total Perspective Vortex is particularly noteworthy because its essentially based on exactly the philosophical point that much of lovecraft's fiction was allegedly trying to make, that no matter who you are you're utterly insignificant and inconsequential compared to the vastness of the universe, and that only our inability to comprehend and mentally internalize this vastness allows us to have any sort of drive, self regard, or hope or satisfaction; that if we could truly comprehend our own insignificance - and the insignificance and impermanance of eberything that we value - we would be struck down simply by the sheer awfulness of the revelation
The notion of of all significance being contained somehow entirely in the self-perception of one apparently separate  individual - now that is horrifying.  Whereas I think our relative in(significance/consequence) is quite comforting, comparitavly, benign, to rip-off the French.

Both Lovecraft and Adams had their own ideas about what constituted a horrifying form of normalcy to apply to alien creatures. Lovecraft's was mechanistic and neodarwinian -- ancient and immensely powerful alien races are just hungry unthinking predators; Adams's horror is not that aliens are wild animals, but that aliens are american.

I think I would enjoy them both.  The latter I am not so familiar with although I think I kind of understand, like Meursault standing before the yawning abyss of an itinerant American on permanent vacation. Which still is not that bad, inherently at least.  Great comparison nonetheless.

Coherence actually improved when the collimating lens was removed.


Parallax...  Great...

i) proof of principle

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