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Apple Talk / Re: The Compleat Billy Chronicles (thanks to Zenpatista)
« on: April 05, 2018, 12:51:14 pm »
I like this one.

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Apple Talk / Re: The Compleat Billy Chronicles (thanks to Zenpatista)
« on: March 23, 2018, 02:26:20 pm »
Ok, I'll give you that one.  Mid-Tempo, and obscures the back beat.

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Odd but thought provoking dreams
« on: March 23, 2018, 01:03:34 pm »
I love that it busts woo right in the chops, and a lot of people don't notice.

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Apple Talk / Re: The Compleat Billy Chronicles (thanks to Zenpatista)
« on: March 23, 2018, 01:02:51 pm »
Funhouse by the Stooges. I’ve tried. It’s a no-go.

Balls.  I mean, it looks like an epileptic fit, but it's possible.

Here's the track, by the way.

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Odd but thought provoking dreams
« on: March 23, 2018, 12:00:23 pm »
How am I not myself?

An underrated movie, if only for that line, and the way it was delivered.

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Free Russian Orphans with Every Purchase
« on: March 23, 2018, 11:42:16 am »
I am disturbed by the fact that I now wear suits or "business casual" more often than jeans & a black tee shirt.  And that my engineer boots have been under the bed for weeks.

This can't be good for me.


WELCOME.

Thanks!  WHY DO I FEEL SO DIRTY?

Because humans were not meant to live like this.

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Meaning
« on: March 22, 2018, 03:54:56 pm »
I've had that, a few times (I think).  When I talk about it objectively, the closest I can say is I had a 'transcendent experience, beyond how language can describe it'.

Something happened, and I can explain how I experienced it in clumsy words, but I don't have the knowledge to explain it in a purely objective way.  That doesn't mean I didn't experience it, it just means I don't have the right means to convey what happened.


AKA, "Weird shit"

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Meaning
« on: March 21, 2018, 04:38:16 pm »
Is it a big leap to view these cosmic principles and forces in the same light as 'intention'?

Um... Yes?

Unless, of course, you start with an a priori premise that a consciousness (sure, let's call it GOD) created the quantum laws and set them in motion.  If you do that, [Humans create shoe with intent to fit feet] = [GOD creates universe with intent to X]

However....

That a priori process is itself a subjective act made by you, since it chooses a narrative with which to construct the question, rather than describing the universe objectively.  In a way, if you want all the stuff in the universe to have intent, you have to create a circular narrative that says it does just that, but that was created by you, subjectively.




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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Meaning
« on: March 21, 2018, 02:16:04 pm »
So, it sounds like you're drifting into semantics, which is fine, so long as all your eyes are open.

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Tied into the idea that something could have a 'meaning' is the idea that something could have a 'purpose'.

See, here's a good example... Who is doing the 'tying' here? 

ATTENTION: THE FOLLOWING IS NOT PEDANTIC.

Since we're going down the definition route, I hope we can start at a common place of agreement, Merriam Webster.  The first definition is conveying a 'thing' using language.  This appears to be the Objective definition, in that it is conveying the physical rules in which a thing exists in this universe.  The second definition is something that is intended; this can be taken to mean the Subjective definition, as it implies the thing has a purpose.

(I'm not going to go down the path of defining "purpose" in the same manner, save that its definition is subject to the same dichotomy, and so on)

So Objectively, the feet behave in this physical manner; they evolved to behave in this manner because of these biological principles; those principles exist because of these macro physical laws; those exist because of quantum laws (I skipped a few steps there - you get the picture).  Subjectively, you can speak about the feet needing a destination, or that since shoes have a purpose to fit feet, is there a similar purpose for feet?  We're going to need to specifically announce which definition of purpose we're going to use, or things get confused.

As far as structural similarities, one would predict this if the Universe had a set of physical constant laws, especially after decoherence (that is, when we leave the realm of probability matrices).  If they didn't behave similarly when scaling up/down, it would be similar to gravity only working some of the time.


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Discordian Recipes / Re: Peruvian “poutine” (Discordian friendly!)
« on: March 21, 2018, 12:08:47 pm »
Start with the toes, we're ticklish.

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Meaning
« on: March 21, 2018, 12:08:02 pm »


Back to front:
Quote from: JHMIII, Constructing Reality
If we agree that life is more than a dream, that our consciousness dwells in a universe that includes things other than itself, then what is the nature of those things?
Is what I think Hofstadter was getting at.

Can you elaborate? I get a little murky around GEB. And I don't quite follow the quote - is it saying that the "nature" of those things is the 'meaning'? Then you're saying meaning exists independently of consciousness, yeah?

I was just being fancy and rephrasing the "Objective vs Subjective" riff.  If we agree that there's stuff out there that exist independently of ourselves (please, don't @quantum me on this), then we can figure out the rules and laws which govern how the stuff exists.  That, in one sense, is "meaning" -- an objective understanding of the universe.  It's like the NdT quote, "science doesn't care if you believe in it."

On the other hand, if you're looking to create a narrative about why you exist in this universe, or about your observations of other stuff through time, then you're editing out the majority of stuff happening in the universe in order to form something coherent.  This, in another sense, is "meaning" -- a subjective experience of the universe.  I think it was RAW who said, "reality is what you can get away with."

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Free Russian Orphans with Every Purchase
« on: March 21, 2018, 11:50:54 am »
I am disturbed by the fact that I now wear suits or "business casual" more often than jeans & a black tee shirt.  And that my engineer boots have been under the bed for weeks.

This can't be good for me.


WELCOME.

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Discordian Recipes / Re: Peruvian “poutine” (Discordian friendly!)
« on: March 20, 2018, 03:47:21 pm »

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Discordian Recipes / Re: Peruvian “poutine” (Discordian friendly!)
« on: March 20, 2018, 03:21:31 pm »
You have to remember that LMNO is one of those food snobs who occasionally eats edible stuff and sneers at the rest of us because he's better than people.

Well, I'm glad that someone gets it.

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