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Apple Talk / Bill O'Reilly is a muppet?
« on: November 26, 2009, 05:04:59 pm »

Art imitates life imitates art etc.

Aneristic Illusions / Hate spreading & the Islamic stamp hoax
« on: November 24, 2009, 07:20:15 pm »
I did check the Post Office does have these!
USPS New  44-Cent Stamp!!!   Celebrates  Muslim holiday


If  there is only ONE thing you forward  today... let it be  this!
REMEMBER  the MUSLIM bombing of Pan Am Flight 103!

REMEMBER  the MUSLIM bombing of the World Trade Center in  1993!

REMEMBER  the MUSLIM bombing of the Marine Barracks in   Lebanon !

REMEMBER  the MUSLIM bombing of the military Barracks in   Saudi Arabia !

REMEMBER  the MUSLIM bombing of the American Embassies in   Africa !

REMEMBER  the MUSLIM bombing of the USS COLE!

REMEMBER  the MUSLIM attack on 9/11/2001 !

REMEMBER  all the AMERICAN lives that were lost in those  vicious MUSLIM attacks!

Now  President Obama has directed the United States Postal Service to REMEMBER and  HONOR the EID MUSLIM holiday season with a new  commemorative 44 Cent (.44 and it says ..42) First Class Holiday  Postage Stamp..

REMEMBER  to adamantly & vocally BOYCOTT this  stamp, when you are purchasing your  stamps at the post office.

All  you have to say is "No thank  you, I do not want that Muslim Stamp on my  letters!"


To use  this stamp would be a slap in the face to all  those AMERICANS who died at the hands of those  whom this stamp honors.

pass this  along to every Patriotic  AMERICAN that you know and lets get the word  out !!!



Here is  something to chew on...

They  (MUSLIMS) don't even believe in Christ, & they're  getting their own Christmas stamp!  BUT, don't dare to dream of posting the ten commandments on federal property! This is truly UNBELIEVABLE !!! 


Someone I work with got this e-mail yesterday. Turns out that Mrs Mang' also received this from some knuckle dragger (whose Christmas card will most definitely have an Eid stamp on it).

And what struck me was ''s that easy to stir up bullshit & hatred.'

I thought for a moment and the following occurred to me:

a) Given how trivial the modern media is, this almost certainly would be reported. Dumber things than this have captured national attention (cf Balloon Boy, the AMAs etc)
b) Does the president really have the time to decide what goes on stamps? Doesn't the Post Office do this? Postmaster General perhaps?
c) I'm suspicious that the word 'muslim' always appears in caps.
d) The MUSLIMS aren't getting a Christmas stamp...they're getting an Eid stamp.
e) Yes, this is truly unbelievable, but not for the reasons cited.

So I went to the website of the United States Postal Service. They do indeed sell these stamps and have done since 2001. Wait a minute...remind me who the president was in 2001? Oh yes.....the smirky pseudo-Texan 'Islam is peace!' guy. Hmm.

It's that easy. I don't know why it's that easy or why my first instinct was not to say 'FUCKIN' MOOSLIMS...FUCK THEM AND THEIR STAMP' but to say 'this is surely a hoax' (which it is).

I guess there's no point to this post. It's not a rant or directed in any direction.....just an observation and how little effort is required to stir stupid people into a frenzy. Can this principle be used to our benefit?

Apple Talk / Lookit all mah little miracles! (thunk)
« on: September 01, 2009, 07:00:16 pm »
Bolded for  :horrormirth:

The Duggars Expecting 19th Child
Tue Sep 1, 6:05 AM PDT
TV's biggest reality family is getting bigger.

Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar of TLC's "18 Kids and Counting" are expecting their 19th child, People reported.

VIEW THE PHOTOS: Keepin' It Real With TV's Hottest Reality Stars!

"We are so thrilled," Michelle, 42, told the mag. "We just couldn't believe it is happening."

Michelle is expected to give birth five months after daughter-in-law Anna gives birth to the Duggar's first grandchild.
VIEW THE PHOTOS: Hollywood's Biggest Broods

Anna, 21, is expecting a girl next month with the Duggars' oldest son, Joshua, 21.

"I love all of this, it is so fun," Michelle said. "Anna and I will have babies five months apart. My mother and my sister were pregnant at the same time and it was really wonderful. The kids were really close and still are. I have a nephew who grew up with me, we're just three months apart."

Michelle also told the mag that her 19th pregnancy came as a surprise.

VIEW THE PHOTOS: The Latest Star Sightings

"I was in Weight Watchers with Jim Bob and I wasn't losing any weight," she said. "I couldn't figure it out. I was doing what I should. And the baby, who was nursing, was fussy. I kept thinking, 'This isn't right. She isn't teething, she doesn't have an ear infection. I'm not cheating on my diet, I should be losing weight.' Then, I put two and two together and wondered if I could possibly be pregnant."

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Chapter 11 generally

When a Religion is unable to service the soul or pay its congregation, the Religion or its creditors can file with an ideological bankruptcy court for protection under either Chapter 7 or Chapter 11.
In Chapter 7 the Religion ceases operations, a trustee sells all of its karmic assets, and then distributes the proceeds to its congregation. Any residual amount is returned to the Universe. In Chapter 11, in most instances the Religion remains in control of its business operations as a debtor in demonic possession, and is subject to the oversight and jurisdiction of the court.[1]

Features of Chapter 11 bankruptcy

Chapter 11 bankruptcy retains many of the features present in all, or most bankruptcy proceedings in the United States. It also provides additional tools for Religions as well. Most importantly, 11 U.S.C. § 1108 empowers the trustee to operate the Religion’s business. In Chapter 11, unless appointed for cause, the Religion acts as trustee of the business.[2]

Bankruptcy affords the Religion in demonic possession a number of mechanisms to restructure its theology. A Religion in demonic possession can acquire financing and loans on favorable terms by giving new members first priority on grace. The court may also permit the Religion in demonic possession to reject and cancel moral & social contracts. Religions are also protected from other litigation against the doctrines through the imposition of an automatic stay. While the automatic stay is in place, most litigation against the Religion is stayed, or put on hold, until it can be resolved in theological debate, or resumed in its original venue.

If the Religion's karmic debts exceed its assets, the bankruptcy restructuring results in the Church/Temple/Mosque owners being left with nothing; instead, the owners' rights and interests are ended and the congregation are left with ownership of the newly reorganized schism.
All Religions are entitled to be heard by the court.[citation needed] The court is ultimately responsible for determining whether the proposed plan of reorganization complies with the bankruptcy law.

The chapter 11 plan

Chapter 11 is reorganization, as opposed to liquidation. Religions may "emerge" from a Chapter 11 bankruptcy within a few months or within several years, depending on the size and complexity of the dogmatic clusterfuck. The Bankruptcy Code accomplishes this objective through the use of a bankruptcy plan. With some exceptions, the plan may be proposed by any party in interest.[3] Interested souls then vote for a plan. Upon its confirmation, the plan becomes binding and identifies the treatment of karmic debts and operations of the business for the duration of the plan.

Religions in Chapter 11 have the exclusive right to propose a plan of reorganization for a period of time (in most cases 120 days). After that time has elapsed, creditors may also propose plans. Plans must satisfy a number of criteria in order to be "confirmed" by a priest. Among other things, souls must vote to approve the plan of reorganization. If a plan cannot be confirmed, the court may either convert the soul to a liquidation under Catholicism, or, if in the best interests of the souls and the estate, the case may be dismissed resulting in a return to the status quo before bankruptcy. If the case is dismissed, souls will look to Eastern mysticism in order to satisfy their claims.

Or Kill Me / Form letter
« on: February 12, 2009, 09:22:38 pm »
In the interests of efficiency, SSOOKN propose that the following form letter be used to clarify communication and save time.

 1. Hey you _______ !

Select as appropriate: a) Discordians
                               b) Liberals
                               c) Wiccans
                               d) Commies
                               e) Neo-con
                               f)  Idiots

 2. You are ________

a) Doing it wrong
b) Destroying America
c) In league with Satan
d) Atheist scum
e) Nazi scum
f)  Fucking stupid

3. You are not __________

a) As discordan as me!
b) A true American
c) Going to be saved by Jesus
d) Going to take over the world with your bullshit Marxist economics
e) Likely to comply with the Geneva Convention
f)  As intelligent as I am!

4. You should listen to me because ________

a) I consulted my pineal gland
b) You are soft on terrorism
c) I went to a Biblical college in Arkansas
d) Reagan destroyed Communism
e) I have a social conscience
f) I am so intelligent!

5. If you do not _________

a) You are a big meanie Greyface
b) America will be attacked again
c) Satan will insert hot objects into your anus for all eternity
d) Market forces will destroy your social fabric
e) You will face a 'truth & reconcilliation' commission
f)  You will be like, really lame and I'll mock you for not being so smart

6. So ________

a) lolfnordpinealgland23haileris
b) Ha! You won't be laughing when the immigrants take over
c) Repent!!!!
d) Enjoy waiting in lines for many hours, hoping to get stale bread
e) Fuck off back to Alaska you medieval bitch
f)  Nuh.

Or Kill Me / No more hyphens.
« on: January 13, 2009, 09:13:06 pm »
Dear America,

Yeah, I know...the last thing you want right now is some durn immigrant telling you about your country. Ok, I get it....move to Russia, right?

So let me frame it to you as a polite request. It's simply this:

  Please, please, please stop using hyphenated nationalities/ethnicities.

You know the deal, 'Italian-American', 'Asian-American', 'Irish-American' etc. I'm not picking on any group in particular. I am, in fact suggesting that you all cut it out.

Why? I'll tell you why. Because no matter how you might like to think otherwise, Americans are not Europeans. Nor are they Africans or Asians or whatever else. Not better, not worse, but just different. And why can't you simply be content with that?

I've had the good fortune to live in and travel to/from different countries. I've had the privilege of meeting people from all over the world and from all manner of backgrounds & circumstances. Drunken bowling with Canadians, breakfasting with Israelis, sharing an elevator with the Japanese etc

So recently, I've returned from 10 days in Italy. Guess what? Americans who self-designate as 'Italian' are NOTHING LIKE ITALIAN PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIVE THERE.

I happened to be travelling with a man who is, from a bloodline point of view, purely Italian (whatever that actually means, especially when you read up on their history.) His parents and his grandparents were all from the Old Country. That counts for something, right? He's got an Italian sounding last name, even though he pronounces it in an Anglicized version. A shoe in?

No. In fact, he stood out like a sore thumb. Dressed like an American, spoke American-English and naturally interacted with everyone with American cultural expectations. Not a bad thing in itself, because the Italians dressed up in their skinnniest of jeans, spoke Italian and eyed us all through the (Gucci) colored glasses of their backgrounds.

The problem is this: CULTURE IS NOT GENETIC.

Why is this a problem? Well, I've seen more 'Italian Temper' bumperstickers than I ever wanted. I've heard the most asinine rationales for stupid behaviour that somehow is 'Irish'.   

I think it's time that certain Americans stop identifying themselves with cliches, stereotypes and outright misrepresentations of cultures they know little or nothing about. It might be fun to glorify the 'Old Country' but you have to keep in mind that your ancestors LEFT the place and went somewhere else. That is where you are from.

Because what matters is who you are and where you are NOW. What's in your blood is a non-starter. If you do enough DNA testing and molecular archaeology, you know what you find? We're all bastard mongrels migrating all over the place for many many thousands of generations.

So please, America relax already. For better or worse, you have your own identity that is not any of the other country's. Let the Italians be Italians and get on with your own lives.

Or Kill Me / 1001 and one things...
« on: December 02, 2008, 10:20:40 pm »
Dear publishing industry,

Please, please, please, STOP producing idiotic books with the title format:

 "1001 ____ to ___ before you die."

Guess what fuckos? My life isn't a check list. The quality of my life is not determined by the arbitrary standards that you set forth in your books.

Even if I were to complete all the assinine tasks set forth in your publications, what does that prove exactly?

 "It's ok, I watched all the 1001 stupid movies...I'm still a violent alcoholic who beats my wife but at least I got to watch some good tv before I died!"

 "Great! My life has meaning! I visited lots of countries and committed horrible crimes in all of them. Yay!"

"Thank you 1001 albums (to hear before I die). I still have cancer, but I finally got 'round to buying Abbey Road on CD, so it's all good."

I noticed that you haven't produced a book called: '1001 lifeskills to have so people won't think you're a douchebag when you're dead.' Similarly, I can't find '1001 enlightened behaviours' or '1001 nice things you could do for others if you weren't such a selfish prick.'

Now go find 1001 ways to insert a publishing trend into an orifice.

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Or Kill Me / The evil of banality
« on: November 25, 2008, 09:47:25 pm »
This is not a pre-written or properly formed rant. It's just some ideas that I'm throwing out in the vain hope that I might offer something productive...

Once upon a time, people used to be scared of witches. In fact, depending on where you are in the world, there are still plenty of people who believe in witches and live in fear of their alleged powers. Folklorist & historian, Ronald Hutton (author of 'Triumph Of The Moon') has spent a great amount of time researching the historical records with regards to the European perception of witches. The overwhelming message from both folklore and trial records is that witches were considered to be:

a) Almost exclusively female
b) Evil
c) Solitary

The notions that there were 'good' or 'white' witches is a modern construct. The idea that they worked in 'covens' stemmed from an account by R.Scott's 'The Discoverie Of Witchcraft' in the 17th century. Interestingly enough, the notion of teams of witches working in concert stuck in the public mind and shaped future perceptions in spite of the fact that the overwhelming majority of sources relating to witches demonstrate that most Europeans held witches to be evil, bitter, women working malevolent spells on their own. (Hutton distinguishes witches from 'cunningfolk' and 'charmers'. The former being largely male artisans who worked spells for money to boost their income and the latter, being one trick ponies who generally offered a very specific service for free eg: charm warts, tame horses etc.)

Cut to the present day and we find that a modern 'witch' protested against her neighbour's Halloween decorations, claiming that they were a hate crime and religiously insensitive.

Once upon a time, people believed in Vampires. They feared that the undead could sneak out of graves and walk among the living to feast upon their blood. I bet if you travelled around enough, you could still find some people who maintain that this is still true. In fact, it took until 1824 for the British government to strike out an old law from the statute books concerning the staking of vampires.

I'm fairly sure that if you examine the folklore & history of Vampires, the picture you will receive is going to be pretty dismal. Corpses, charnel houses, curses, soulessness, you get the idea. It's not for nothing that Peter Cushing made a film career that comprised mostly of killing Christopher Lee in a variety of different ways.

Cut to 2008. I find 'stop vampire hate on the net'. Whut!?

Turns out that the witches that you thought were witches are not witches but survivals of neolithic pagan religions that are entirely unsubstantiated. Turns out that Vampires are actually quite romantic. They don't just rip people's throats open anymore, they go to highschool and have awkward moments with the girls they've got the hots for. They're clean, well groomed and don't even smell a teeny bit like decaying meat.

And oddly enough, these revamped (pun!) images are increasingly accepted into popular discourse. It's ok to dress like Vlad the Impaler, just so long as everyone knows that you don't drink blood, only 'psychic energy' and that it's always with consent. Not like those other bad vampires. Not like those other bad witches.

What is the human need to flirt with a neutered form of darkness? Why let the facts get in the way of a good story?

What intrigues me is what new sub-culture will spring up? What new evil will become the object of our affections? Is there a limit or will the felons of history become redeemed with enough attention and weak justifications? It's ok to be a witch. It's even ok to be a vampire. History was wrong! We totally misread them! Is it ok to be a Grand Inquisitor? Is it ok to be in the SS? How about the Knights of the KKK? Child murderers?

In 100 years from now, in whatever store replaces Hot Topic as the wellspring of pre-packaged rebellion, will we see teens sloping around malls dressed as 'Muhajadeen'? 'No! You've got it all wrong! It's not about holy war, it's about buying this green jacket and wearing my scarf in this manner. DON'T YOU KNOW ANYTHING!?'




Yo dude.  I saw your site when I was activating your account (the URL looked interesting, so I popped around for a look).  Going by what I saw, you'll fit in just fine.  I haven't had a chance to listen to your stuff just yet, so I wont comment, but feel free to look around the forum, ask questions etc etc

Nope. Not at all.

Literate Chaotic / Upcoming SSOOKN book sale
« on: September 15, 2008, 08:51:00 pm »
Thanks to the tireless efforts of our archival scrids, the SSOOKN has recently received a number of rare, sought after occult tomes that they are willing to release back into circulation.

As such, SSOOKN will, if anyone gives a crap, offer up for sale two hardback 1st editions by Kenneth Grant.

Interested parties can be assured that SSOOKN will not be making a killing on these books as we are seeking to undercut other occult book dealers. While these books are in short supply, they are not worth the ludicrous prices some people are asking.

Further details to follow.

Literate Chaotic / Attn: Occulty types - death of Christopher Hyatt
« on: February 12, 2008, 10:10:43 pm »
The death has been announced of Alan Miller (aka Dr Christopher Hyatt), author and publisher of Thelemic works, on 9 February at his home in Scottsdale, Arizona.

I am grateful to Hymenaeus Beta, Frater Superior, OTO, for giving me permission to reproduce his obituary here...

Alan Ronald Miller, Ph.D., IX° O.T.O. (1943-2008 e.v.)

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

Brother Alan Miller IX° passed away on February 9, at his home in Scottsdale, Arizona, with his wife Linda and son Michael in attendance. He had been bravely waging a long struggle with cancer, but suffered several strokes in his last week.

Bro. Alan was born in Chicago on July 12, 1943, the son of a Chicago police lieutenant. After early studies at the University of Toronto he took a B.A. and M.A. (Psychology) at California State University in Los Angeles, followed by an advanced M.Ed. from University of Southern California, a Ph.D. (Psychology) from Western University, and a second Ph.D. (Leadership and Human Behavior) from United States International University (now Alliant University). He made significant contibutions to the academic psychological literature, particuarly in the fields of psychological testing and the perception of beauty; many of his innovations are still in daily use around the world.

He studied Reichian analysis with Dr. Israel Regardie, and applied his considerable business acumen to helping Dr. Regardie so arrange his affairs that he enjoyed a comfortable retirement. He had a long a distinguished private psychology practice, a varied entrepreneurial career as a businessman including many years as a successful computer industry executive, and founded Falcon Press -- now New Falcon Publications -- with his lifelong friend and business partner Nicholas Tharcher. He was the author and coauthor of several dozen books under the name Christopher Hyatt, Ph.D., including the very popular "Undoing Yourself," and in recent years had produced a series of educational DVDs, all available from New Falcon Publications. He was the chief executive of a not-for-profit religious organizations that carrried on Dr. Regardie's Golden Dawn tradition.

He had a great gift for empowering those around him -- challenging them to overcome their inhibitions and give expression to their inner potential; that paradigm is perhaps the best summation of his life's work.

He encouraged two notable O.T.O. authors, James Wassserman and Lon Milo DuQuette, to produce books, and helped them with their initial publications. His approach to helping others realize their potential, while rooted in his psychoanalytic training, was of course fully consonant with Thelema. It is fair to say that Bro. Alan did more in his unique way to advance Thelema in public perception than most Thelemites in history; the Crowley books he put before the public number in the hundreds of thousands. At the urging of his teacher, Dr. Regardie, he was a great supporter of the O.T.O., which he soon joined and to which he lent incalculable support, both through his experienced and sound practical advice, and through substantial financial contributions. He was, for example, the single top donor to the Thoth Tarot Restoration Fund, devoting tens of thousands of dollars to make possible the preservation of the original paintings for future generations. Whenever the O.T.O. was in danger or need, Bro. Alan could be counted upon to lend his support. He was also generous with important archival information, donating Israel Regardie's very large archives to the O.T.O. Archives. Later, when O.T.O. determined that the Regardie's Golden Dawn papers might be better placed with a G.D. research organization, he approved their transfer; O.T.O. Archives retained Regardie's papers dealing with his work with Crowley and Thelema.

Alan was a controversial person -- intentionally so, as part of his personal Great Work was to shock people out of their complacency and habitual mindsets. He was deliberately provocative at times; for example, he labelled some of his best reasoned and most philosophically astute writings "Toxic Magick" -- a blind for the blind, as he explained to me, for what is in reality a sort of Thelemic utilitarianism. Personally, I've never known anyone like Bro. Alan, and do not expect his like again. His work will live on, and may he rest in peace.

Love is the law, love under will.

Hymenaeus Beta
Frater Superior, OTO

Apple Talk / The Racial Harmony Thread
« on: January 29, 2008, 07:57:48 pm »
Help through it's very own Don Imus/Michael Richards debacle by promoting racial harmony.

First up, Detroit's very own, Marshall 'Eminem' Mathers giving a shout out to our Latina sisters....

Cause if I ever stuck it to any singer in showbiz
it'd be Jennifer Lopez, and Puffy you know this!
I'm sorry Puff, but I don't give a f**k if this chick was my own mother
I still f**k her with no rubber and cum inside her
and have a son and a new brother at the same time
and just say that it ain't mine,

Stay tuned for more! Contributions welcome!

Literate Chaotic / Tough day for Terry Pratchett
« on: December 13, 2007, 07:32:25 pm »

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