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The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: Trigger warning: Drugs
« on: September 20, 2013, 04:27:52 pm »
I've heard the argument before that 'if you had totally clean heroin, in controlled doses, administered correctly then it's not that dangerous'. There was one pharmacology professor (whose name escapes me) who raised a bunch of eyebrows by making the above case and telling his students that under those conditions, your worst problems as a heroin user would be impotence and constipation(!).

And all this may be true, and it may also be true that heroin isn't as damaging to the organs as, say alcohol. Still, to me it's a kind of pointless argument only because the 'clean, controlled, safe heroin' is to be found practically NOWHERE. [It's like when people start geeking out on too many popular science tv shows about physics. Yes, ok so we get that time travel is theoretically possible if you can do XYZ. Trouble is, XYZ is so phenomenally difficult to achieve, that at this stage of history it's not exactly a pressing conCERN.]

So 'clean heroin' might not be as problematic. But the real actual heroin that real actual people buy and use most totally is.

I get what Pergamos is saying. However, as I've suggested, being pedantic about the qualities of a particular molecule doesn't explain much about or help the daily reality of being an addict or being in the orbit of addicts as Nigel and myself have (and probably a whole bunch of other people here on PD.)

If you go back to Nutt's research that was linked a few posts ago, he most certainly included 'secondary harm' in his work. Harm is harm. Anyone who doesn't believe me, should invite an opiate addict to live in their home for a few months.

The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: Zimmerman hijinks
« on: September 13, 2013, 05:18:50 pm »
Police are working to retrieve that video from Shellie Zimmermanís smashed iPad in hopes that it will give them a better idea of what went on before they were summoned by a 911 call from Shellie on Monday. If this video can be retrieved it will fill in a lot of gaps. The household surveillance video is video only. While it shows a lot, for example it clearly shows Zimmerman throwing the iPad to the ground and smashing it into several pieces, the video from the iPad, which Shellie says was operating throughout the incident until George grabbed it out of her hands and threw it to the ground, will have an audio track as well.

Interesting behaviour. 

Update 3:06 p.m.: The Associated Press says that Zimmerman's wife, Shellie, who is seeking a divorce, was the one who called the police. Police say that she alleges that George Zimmerman threatened her and her father.

And this seems to be the reason.
George Zimmerman's wife, Shellie, called 911 on Monday afternoon to report that her husband was threatening her and her father with a gun. In a recording of that frantic call, Shellie can be heard telling the dispatcher that George had "his hand on his gun and he keeps saying step closer." "Step closer and what?" the dispatcher responds. "And he's going to shoot us," Shellie Zimmerman replies. Later in the call, Shellie can be heard warning her father to stay away from her husband: "Dad, get inside the house; George might start shooting at us."

This is the woman who got a slap on the wrist for perjury, so we've got an unreliable witness here. How much is trying to get him in deep shit? Probably at least some, Divorce is rarely fun.

Layers and layers of bullshit here. There's so much guilt between these two I doubt the system will let up until one of them does some time.

You got to wonder if her perjury was out of fear and an abusive dynamic or he's recently become MOAR of an asshole.

If you listen to the 911 call, she sounds clearly out of her head with fear.

Makes sense. She knows with certainty that her husband is actually capable of shooting someone.

The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: I love Miley Cyrus
« on: September 13, 2013, 04:34:12 am »
Holy time machines Batman! It's still 2008!

Well lookee here...a 'weren' word:

You : Suu   :wink:

More seriously though I miss stuff like this. Ok, so the design was absolutely retina tearingly awful. But still, at least there was some variety. Now we have Facebook and that has turned online life into ONE GIANT BORING FUCKING STRIP MALL.

The 'everywhere you go, it's exactly the same' culture migrated from the real world and ended up online.

"This Best Buy sucks! Let's go to the one in the next town over."
"Which one? You mean next to Dress Barn & Staples?"
"Yeah! And we can grab lunch at Olive Garden!"

The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: Microreligions
« on: July 19, 2013, 04:20:27 pm »
Microreligion #162: Wiccan Reconstructionism. We are reviving traditional witchcraft as it was depicted in 1996 documentary "The Craft".

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Been white all their life? Ahh....there are no guarantees my friend.

(might be NSFW)

I think it'll be easier if we just compile a shortlist entitled: "British Celebrities of the 70s & 80s that are NOT sex offenders".

Looks like it might be a very short, shortlist.

There was another Canadian show, The Beachcombers, about a guy named Nick Adonidas, who ran a lumber salvage operation on the coast of British Columbia. 

The series was insanely gritty for its day, and dealt frequently with Nick's alcoholism problem, which was treated as being - in our terms - horrormirthy.  Nick had a particular weakness with ouzo, and often was shown puking drunk, hung over, or in dire financial straits due to this.

The foil was a guy named "Relic", who used unscrupulous means to swipe lumber off of Nick, who wasn't above some shady dealings himself.  Many of the characters were North American Natives, and their issues in dealing with Whites were explored fairly often, though they were also portrayed as "noble", in that they were virtually flaw-free (for example, they were the only characters that weren't horrid drunks).

Funny thing:  In the 80s, the show was revamped, using more suspense and action, and tanked.  The audience wanted sordid and awful social problems rubbed in their faces, which only proves that Canada is still very British.

Wow, haven't thought about that show in a loooong ass time. Relic. Just wow.

Sounds nice, bit pricey for universal love though.

And Equinistry makes me think of this harrowing story:

And if blinded horses isn't harrowing enough, there's always Daniel 'typecast forever' the nude.

Rolf Harris?? FUCKING HELL.

I realize it may be too late now to back to the OP, but I wanted to add something.

I think the truth is inbetween the idea that Americans have a severely abbreviated culture and Hyphenated-Americans are Really Really Hyphenated People.

America was colonised in waves, and those waves often consisted of people from distinct linguistic and cultural groups, usually settling in similar areas to each other.  The parents bring the culture with them, from their homelands, but the children born there...well, they exist in a different geographical, legal, political and economic climate to the one their parents did, alongside other emerging or distinct foreign cultures as well.

Thus you have a case of divergent cultural evolution.  Much like the way Canadian French is different from Modern French, but related historically and linguistically, you have an Irish Tradition with an offshoot - the American-Irish tradition, and the Irish one.  Conditioned by outside factors and the course of history, there is inevitably going to be a major difference in how those traditions are percieved and what kind of behaviour they result in.

The only reason Irish Irishness is considered more legitimate than American Irishness is because the former controls the state of Ireland, and thus the percieved homeland of Irish Tradition by both sides.

Thanks Cain. Your five concise paragraphs spared me an hour of typing, getting logged out and losing an hour's worth of typing.
Nicely put.

The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: Things go boom
« on: April 15, 2013, 07:29:13 pm »
Boston Marathon today.

The finish line is in Copley Sq, where I work.

Just now, there were two explosions near the finish line.

No word on what's going on.

Updates will most likely follow.

I just saw this  :sad: Glad you're ok dude!


The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: Word Salad
« on: April 01, 2013, 04:55:27 pm »
For added crazy, try a spot of bibliomancy.

Think of a question, flip through the pages of text without looking. Stop suddenly. Open pages and then stick your finger on a page. Read the text where your finger lands. This is most definitely the voice of God giving the correct answer to your question:eek:

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