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Apple Talk / Re: Jung's Red Book
« on: February 09, 2013, 02:07:24 am »

Here's a source for Dr Hoeller's lecture material. Given that I'm up to my ass in snow, I might post some of my notes (as long as we don't lose power).

Apple Talk / Re: Jung's Red Book
« on: February 08, 2013, 09:10:51 pm »
I do own the Red Book, have read some of it but not much. It is a truly remarkable piece of work. A couple of summers ago, Mrs Mang & I heard a weekend presentation by Dr Stephan Hoeller, an expert on Jung, especially where Jung's work intersects with Gnosticism. The amount of detail and context that he provides makes tackling this book a lot easier. (I took a shit load of notes)

A few weeks ago I went to a presentation at our local Jungian society. I was introduced to some old dude who's name I cannot recall, but I was told that he was one of the translators for the Red Book.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: "Stupid wingnut says something stupid" thread
« on: February 06, 2013, 05:20:10 pm »
is it?  :?

Yeah they are Inuit.

And a bazillion other tribes.  calling a non-Inuit tribe member an Inuit also pisses them off.

I just punt and call them "people" or "Native Americans" if I have to be more specific.

Thats right, I remember in Island of the Blue Dolphins (which I read as a kid) the girl in the story kept dealing with the Aleutians (I think she was Inuit) and there's also some other major tirbe that starts with a Y I think.

Also they don't live in igloos. In fact, a lot of them live in houses which are slowly sliding into the rivers due to the warming trends.

ETA: Actually she was Nicoleņo Indian apparently. I just googled it.

The other big group you're probably thinking of is Yupik.

Also, Glenn Beck seems to be epically missing the point that allowing women and gays to fight isn't about making our army more terrifying. It's that it also won't make it LESS terrifying. Enemy soldiers won't know that someone is transgender... they will know that they're getting SHOT AT.

Not the point.  He's pandering...Nothing new, but he's doing it badly.

If Filthy Assistant is disgusted by his appeal to ridicule bullshit, then he's missed his target.

 :lol: Good point.

Glen Beck epically missing points. That's all he's the whole reason for his existence - to acquire a 'little knowledge' of things and then get them wrong, on purpose.

Apple Talk / Re: It must be almost February...
« on: January 31, 2013, 10:03:10 pm »
Oddly enough, February is generally ok for me. Things have sucked so much for months (since say, Sept) that by the time Feb rolls around the hassle has either ended or I have ceased caring.

For me, February is my birthday and that means Mrs Mang's offensively chocolatey CHEEZ CAK!!!!!!!!  :banana:

I'm going to have to post the recipe because I'd rather that everyone on PD was having killer cheesecake than having to put up with stress and bullshit.

Apple Talk / Re: Burning question
« on: January 30, 2013, 11:18:31 pm »
I posted the abyss on Facebook and it became a meme.

There's an Abyss other than Facebook?

Apple Talk / Re: Unlimited "Guns, Fuck Yeah!" Thread
« on: January 27, 2013, 04:44:36 pm »
Gun control - The brit approach   :lulz:

My old home town!

Sounds like the typical Plymouthian approach - mob action. You don't get shootings, stabbings or one on one conflict. No, the usual means is for a group of individuals to attack a single person (armed or not). For once, the person on the receiving end wasn't an innocent bystander which is the norm.

Literate Chaotic / Re: Looking for help / feedback on a thing I did
« on: January 24, 2013, 08:36:18 pm »

I sampled a couple of these and I really like them. I'm not sure if it's a useful or even accurate comparison, but it put me in mind of Brautigan's "Troutfishing in America". Short, odd pieces with a poignant twist. I say, keep at it!

Aneristic Illusions / Re: "Stupid wingnut says something stupid" thread
« on: January 24, 2013, 08:28:48 pm »

AAAND The republicans are at it AGAIN!

Well done Republicans. Clearly, no one took your assault on women and reproductive health seriously enough. Do the same only LOUDER! That will be a much better way to prove your relevance!

Is there a special Republican rape committee that we don't know about?

Rep1: Ok, meeting called to order. Our agenda today is inflammatory nonsense. Any thoughts?
Rep2: How about we say something stupid about immigrants?
Rep1: Nah. Been done, plus immigrants entirely decided the last election. I say we get more mileage out of the rape thing.
Rep2: How about this? We try and get a bill passed that makes all rape victims wear a big scarlet 'R' on their clothes so that no one will be tainted by their presence!
Rep1: I like how you think! I say we surgically seal their vaginas with crime scene tape!
Rep2: HELL YEAH! Then we pass a measure that will cut funding to the police citing rape kit testing as a waste of resources that could be used to fight actual crimes!

« on: January 24, 2013, 07:12:41 pm »

Apple Talk / Re: Brit Spags! So Jim fixed it...
« on: January 22, 2013, 09:42:22 pm »
They're on the list of patrons but are not suspects.

Seems pretty straightforward to me...

But you are intelligent, literate and not the target audience of Brit newspapers like The Mirror.

Apple Talk / Re: Brit Spags! So Jim fixed it...
« on: January 22, 2013, 09:32:18 pm »

A list of names seized by police probing allegations of child abuse includes ministers, members of the royal household and a world-famous pop star...

All were recorded as visitors to a suburban guest house that operated as a gay brothel.

Now some could be suspects in an investigation into a network of powerful people who were secret paedophiles for years.

Oh tabloid press. They lead in with the inflammatory:

A list of names seized by police probing allegations of child abuse includes ministers, members of the royal household and a world-famous pop star, the Sunday People can reveal.

But later point out:

One of those is a best-selling musician, but like some others on the list he is not suspected of being involved in the child abuse.

So, the famous musician cited in the beginning of the article is both part of and not part of an investigation of child abuse? Schrodinger's Paedophile?

Apple Talk / Re: The terrorist threat has evolved
« on: January 22, 2013, 08:46:18 pm »
And we wonder why there are school shootings.

My friend's son is autistic and hates being the focus of attention. HATES it. He also hates being touched. So in third grade, his teacher decides he just needs to be "brought out of his shell" so she put him at the front of the class, called on him constantly, and made a point of ruffling his hair or touching his shoulders every time she walked past him.

The thing is, there are good teachers. There are excellent teachers. But an awful lot of smart, kind, compassionate people who like working with kids look at the qualifications they would need to get there, the salary they would receive if they did, and the conditions they would have to work in, and they make the decision to go into psychology or sociology or social work instead, where they feel like they have half a chance of actually making a difference. That leaves an awful lot of room in the field for sub-par power-trippers who get off on controlling and tormenting children, and that is, in my opinion, the majority of what we end up with.


This is like treating lung cancer with cigarettes.

Apple Talk / Re: The terrorist threat has evolved
« on: January 22, 2013, 04:25:41 pm »
Step Mang #4 was considered a 'borderline' candidate for medication by his school. Mrs Mang heard all sorts of scary shit about Ritalin and opted for 'go shit in your hat' also.

Apple Talk / Re: Shooting at CT Elementary School. WTF AMERICA?!
« on: January 15, 2013, 05:21:35 pm »
Heh.  Figured.

What most people don't realize is what happens to your perceptions when you get in a situation like that.  It takes frequent training to do things automatically.  Going to the range once a month doesn't cut it.

I have a friend who was a SWAT trainer. One of the drills they had to do was soak their arms up to the elbows in ice water and then demonstrate they could still maintain, load & shoot their weapons effectively with severely reduced dexterity. The numbing from the ice was said to simulate the state of being highly adrenalized in an extreme situation.

Of all the people I know with guns, if shit went down, Steve is the only guy who I would actually want around. The rest of them are either totally out of practise or believe that standing in a shooting range makes them combat ready.

Apple Talk / Re: Brit Spags! So Jim fixed it...
« on: January 11, 2013, 04:19:34 pm »

Children as young as eight were abused by Jimmy Savile, a report detailing 50 years of allegations has revealed.

The Met Police and NSPCC outlined offences at 13 hospitals, including Great Ormond Street in London and Wheatfields Hospice in Leeds.

Some 214 crimes were recorded across 28 police force areas, including 34 of rape or penetration, the report said.

The CPS apologised for missing the opportunity to prosecute Savile in 2009, while he was still alive.

Police said the victims' accounts painted a "compelling picture of widespread sexual abuse by a predatory sex offender," and Cdr Peter Spindler, who is leading the abuse probe, said Savile had "groomed the nation".

Depressing. And is it just me, or was there something weirdly excessive about all the graphs & pie charts? "Well, as you can see, when we do a statistical analysis, on average a 14 year girl had a 23% chance of getting raped by Savile, but her risk factor would have greatly decreased had she lived in Devon instead of Yorkshire."

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