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Or Kill Me / Re: Hearts and Minds
« on: August 01, 2009, 09:05:40 pm »
Well...That's all very romantic and whatnot, but I prefer to think of this in terms of the fact we're all apes.

The leader always wants to have the support of the group--as power comes from the group.  If members of the group oppose (heh, or do not support) the leader, they are enemies.

This "battlefield of the mind" business also comes off a bit paranoid.  Sure, there are plenty out there trying to influence the way we think, but imo blind consumerism is often more dangerous to critical thinking than government propaganda.

You know, I had considered doing a rant recently on people who think their bien-pensant cynicism is clever, but isn't actually a replacement for knowledge on a particular subject, however I now see it would be redundant, in light of your post.

To put it more clearly: you know absolutely nothing about the history of military-civilian relations, or, if you do, then this knowledge is severely lacking from your post.

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Apple Talk / Re: It's mah birfday...
« on: July 31, 2009, 07:57:29 pm »
go shawty
It's your birthday
We gon' party like it's yo birthday
We gon' sip Bacardi like it's your birthday
And you know we don't give a fuck
It's not your birthday!

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: WingNutDaily's Idiotic Article of the Day
« on: July 31, 2009, 06:54:03 pm »
Also there is a proven way to get information out of a terrorist - subvert his belief that America is made up of Islam hating Crusaders whose "humanitarian" and democratic beliefs are a cover for a brutal policy of imperialism and murder.

Funnily enough, torturing them only seems to confirm this belief they have about America.  And treating them as a (severely, to say the least) misguided person with legitimate greivances and concerns tends to throw them off balance.

Terrorism is a rational, communicative strategy.  Open the channel and treat the concerns seriously, with intent to be an honest actor, and you'd be surprised how many start offering up information of use.
Okay - but how many years before this becomes common knowledge to the point that when someone even suggests the thumb-screws approach, they are immediately dismissed as a moron?


Its been common knowledge for decades.

If you look back to WWII, the procedure for interrogating PoWs, German spies and other people working for the Axis powers is exactly as I have described.  Treat them in a respectful manner, win their confidence, subvert their expectations and they will spill the beans.

Doesn't work on everyone.  Not the most fanatical, or those who know they've been caught in actions for which there is no going back.  But among the vast majority, it yields results, and has done for 70+ years now.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: WingNutDaily's Idiotic Article of the Day
« on: July 31, 2009, 05:48:33 pm »
Also there is a proven way to get information out of a terrorist - subvert his belief that America is made up of Islam hating Crusaders whose "humanitarian" and democratic beliefs are a cover for a brutal policy of imperialism and murder.

Funnily enough, torturing them only seems to confirm this belief they have about America.  And treating them as a (severely, to say the least) misguided person with legitimate greivances and concerns tends to throw them off balance.

Terrorism is a rational, communicative strategy.  Open the channel and treat the concerns seriously, with intent to be an honest actor, and you'd be surprised how many start offering up information of use.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: This website is probably illegal soon too.
« on: July 31, 2009, 01:55:22 pm »
Flordia sounds like what happens when you try to make a tropical, banana republic style dystopia, only you let morons take charge.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: This website is probably illegal soon too.
« on: July 31, 2009, 01:24:08 pm »
In the land of the single digit IQ, the man who can think without moving his lips is King.

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Literate Chaotic / Re: Book club planning thread and suggestions
« on: July 31, 2009, 12:36:24 pm »
"The Coming Anarchy" sounds like a good title for a porno.

It already is porno (for societal collapse and Max Max scenario enthusiasts, anyway).

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Literate Chaotic / Re: Book club planning thread and suggestions
« on: July 31, 2009, 12:34:56 pm »
Is that the same Robert Kaplan who wrote The Coming Anarchy (which is pretty good) and shills for the Neocons on an ad hoc basis in Foreign Affairs?
No, that is Robert D. Kaplan. It is also not Robert S. Kaplan, Baker Foundation Professor at Harvard Business School. It is a different Robert Kaplan that taught mathematics at Harvard. Who knew that it was such a common name?

Its still not as common as "Kagan" in American academia.

Unfortunately, since the Kagans are all related, and all seem intent on pushing their lunatic agenda through as many think tanks and faculties as possible.  At least the Kaplans seem to be of a non hive-mind type (though they should all get together and write a book, tying their respective disciplines together.  I'd buy it).

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Aneristic Illusions / Teh Mooslims are overrunning Yurop (again)
« on: July 31, 2009, 12:27:29 pm »
http://www.irr.org.uk/2009/july/ha000011.html

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Since  the late Oriana Fallaci published her anti-Muslim diatribe The Rage and the Pride in 2001, the Islamic threat to Europe has become something of a minor publishing phenomenon. Mark Steyn, Bat Ye'or, Bruce Bawer and Melanie Phillips have all made their contribution to a genre whose effects can be compared to a scratched record being played ad infinitum at piercingly high volume.[1] Now the American Financial Times journalist Christopher Caldwell has made another contribution to the genre, in his Burkean analysis of the 'revolution' in Europe wrought by immigration, and Muslim migration in particular. But Caldwell's book, Reflections on the Revolution in Europe: Immigration, Islam and the West, has received an unusual level of critical attention and acclaim that may make it even more significant than its predecessors.

We might not be surprised that a book on the Islamicisation of Europe has received praise from Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Niall Ferguson, but Caldwell has also been interviewed on Andrew Marr's Start the Week and on Radio 3's cultural flagship Nightwaves. His book has been lionised in the liberal press, including a full-page review in the Observer by Prospect magazine's editor David Goodhart, which hailed Caldwell as 'a bracing, clear-eyed analyst of European pieties'. The Guardian's Martin Woollacott described Caldwell as one of the 'more urbane and interesting voices' in the neoconservative political orbit and hailed his book as an important contribution to the 'sluggish' debate on immigration.

At first sight it may seem odd that a senior editor of the neoconservative Weekly Standard and an admirer of Enoch Powell should receive such acclaim from such bastions of British liberalism. So what makes Caldwell different and why has his book managed to transcend the conservative/right-wing readership that the 'green peril' sub-genre normally attracts? Firstly, there is his approach to the issues he raises. Unlike Fallaci and Mark Steyn, Caldwell does not rant or sneer. He presents his book as an objective and judicious discussion rather than a polemic, and avoids conspiratorial explanations for Muslim immigration of the type made by Eurabian theorists like Bat Ye'or. His arguments are measured, thoughtful and nuanced, and considerably more sophisticated than the rantings of Melanie Phillips. His authorial persona is that of a puzzled and concerned observer of the European predicament, driven only by a willingness to consider all angles of a serious debate that others are ignoring. He is cultured and knowledgeable.

For all these qualities, there is virtually nothing in his book that would be out of place in any other examples of the 'green peril' genre. Caldwell's essential argument is that Enoch Powell's predictions have been proven to be mostly correct and that European elites naively - and unnecessarily - entered into a new era of mass immigration after World War II, without thinking through its long-term consequences. As a result they have paved the way for the implantation of a Muslim 'adversary culture' in the heart of Europe that now threatens to engulf the continent demographically, culturally, politically and even sexually. To support this thesis, Caldwell roams back and forth across the continent, combining first-hand reportage with a formidable accumulation of statistics and opinion polls from different countries. All the essential elements of Islamic threat narratives are here; the empty church pews versus burgeoning mosques; Europe's decadence and crisis of spiritual values versus the confidence and power of Islam; the dire warnings of an ageing Europe that is being out-bred by more virile and fertile Muslim immigrants; the failure of multiculturalism and the subsequent proliferation of parallel societies and 'ethnic colonies' characterised by female circumcision, honour killings, criminal violence and terrorism, gang rape and the oppression of women.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: This website is probably illegal soon too.
« on: July 31, 2009, 11:56:59 am »
Wait, you guys wanna get rid of Florida?

Personally, I'd want to make the whole country like Florida.  Sure, you have to put up with arbitrary and senseless rule of "law".  But at the same time, you can convince people you have dark powers by performing minor sleight of hand tricks, and blackmail the court into letting you go free.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Wallerstein on Cheney's grand strategy
« on: July 31, 2009, 11:52:25 am »
you know what this makes me wonder?

if this is correct, and the elite right wing is shaping the discourse by overshooting their mark,
does that suggest that they're actually moderate republicans? They're only acting extreme in order to arrive at a desirable midway compromise?

 :tinfoilhat:



Well, that depends how you're defining moderates.  Since the line between moderate Republicans and Democrats is so thin (see: McCain, Lieberman, Specter for more) and the sort of stuff Dick Cheney proposes is one step removed from something taken out of Czarist Russia, any "compromise" between the two positions falls in a pretty rightwing place anyway.  Maybe Pinochet-lite?  Which is still pretty far out there by the standards of most liberal democracies, for the past 100 years.

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Extremely mocking of dimwits on the net?

Admittedly, they've quoted so many racists and lunatics a search would likely conclude they were the next Stormfront in the making...

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I read the Daily Mail, via http://ifyoulikeitsomuchwhydontyougolivethere.com/ and http://dailyquail.blogspot.com/

I feel these filters protect my sanity.

People are seriously still doing the people without jobs are lazy shtick?

Better yet - the owner of the virulently authoritarian and traditional values which was being (accurately) satirized by the Quail...is in fact the country's largest pornographer, "Dirty" Desmond.

Its quite hilarious, once you know this.  The man calling for toughness on the unemployed and a return to good old fashioned social values, also shows Asian Babes 3, Lesbian Nymphos and Horny Housewives on his many pay-per-view channels.

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I read the Daily Mail, via http://ifyoulikeitsomuchwhydontyougolivethere.com/ and http://dailyquail.blogspot.com/

I feel these filters protect my sanity.

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Literate Chaotic / Re: Book club planning thread and suggestions
« on: July 30, 2009, 10:16:48 pm »
Is that the same Robert Kaplan who wrote The Coming Anarchy (which is pretty good) and shills for the Neocons on an ad hoc basis in Foreign Affairs?

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