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Or Kill Me / Re: The Truth About The "Octomom"
« on: March 11, 2009, 12:47:18 pm »
Only needs to be California.  One of the largest economies in the world, the shockwaves will no doubt reverberate through the international markets, what is left of them.

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Or Kill Me / Re: The Truth About The "Octomom"
« on: March 11, 2009, 08:49:52 am »
So March 15th is doomsday, then? (heh, irony)

I'm just going to organize popcorn and CNN, for when it all goes to hell.

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Beyond the wall / Re: FRED'S THOUGHTS ON WATCHMEN MOVIE
« on: March 11, 2009, 08:24:41 am »
I'm sure if they ever portray Deadpool on the big screen, he probably wont be voiced by Gilbert Godfried, and that will be another dream of mine down the toilet.

Ryan Reynolds plays the role for X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Reynolds

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: ITT we define god
« on: March 10, 2009, 06:13:09 pm »

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Or Kill Me / Re: Plus, I Got Religion
« on: March 10, 2009, 05:03:52 pm »
No problem.  Being a smug asshole is annoying, I agree, and 99% of the reasons I dislike "New Atheists".

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Beyond the wall / Re: FRED'S THOUGHTS ON WATCHMEN MOVIE
« on: March 10, 2009, 03:25:06 pm »
Uh, have you guys heard of NOT POSTING SPOILERS?

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Or Kill Me / Re: Plus, I Got Religion
« on: March 10, 2009, 03:24:01 pm »
Glasgow is proof that hell exists, however.

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Or Kill Me / Re: Plus, I Got Religion
« on: March 10, 2009, 03:15:06 pm »
As an atheist, I think it's actually pretty fair to say that my disbelief in God/gods/higher powers is based on faith. If it was purely reason, you're probably right that I'd be an agnostic. However, I am no more capable of believing that it is possible there is a God, then religious people are capable of not believing in God, and I find it kind of offensive to be told that I'm only an atheist to piss off theists. I've tried multiple times to believe in some sort of higher power, but I just can't.

I call myself an atheist simply because that is the most accurate term for my beliefs.I have no interest in pissing off theists, and will even talk to evangelical Christians on the street if they're polite and I'm not doing anything at the time. I've also gone to a Sikh temple, and enjoyed myself.

In fact, I actually find theists' beliefs fascinating and like discussing it with them, which I hopefully do not do in a condescending way. I agree with what Ratatosk said, though, about finding people's personal experiences more interesting/valid than just them repeating what somebody else told them.

Despite being agnostic, this is most similar to my position.  I lean heavily towards atheism, but I cannot totally discount

1) Deism
2) Trickster gods fucking with my head

Either one seems highly unlikely, not to mention having next to no effect on my life anyway (a deistic god doesn't need or want my worship, and a trickster god presumably doesn't either, and will fuck with my head in the bargain) so it may as well be that god(s) don't exist.  So there is room for revision, but its pretty small.

I don't mind religious people, until the point they try and apply their rules onto society at large.  Even then, I don't engage such people in a way which will help their cause (ie public slanging match where I can get labelled "angry bigoted atheist") so that's alright.  I think we have better ways of coming up with rules for society at large, and if they want to tack some of their own onto the end of that, then that is their decision, so long as all parties involved agree (for example, arranged marriages are not something I look favourably upon, unless the people in question have both agreed with their families beforehand about going down that route).

So in short, religion doesn't bother me, but the social and political impact of religion might, depending on exactly how much coercion is involved in it.

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Or Kill Me / Re: Plus, I Got Religion
« on: March 10, 2009, 03:06:28 pm »

1. I don't get it, why MUST you force other people to follow your logic? Who cares if they aren't "logical"? It's not hurting you.


Well, because he's so much smarter than them, obviously.  Because he doesn't ever believe in anything that defies logic.   :lulz:

TGRR,
Is willing to be the spag even believes that the US "government" exists.

Tempest, I would suggest people who believe burning other people alive for not thinking like them could be pretty dangerous.  Some logical thought from people like that would be nice.

Roger has already beat me to my caveat in making the above statement, however.  Many "logical" "freethinkers" seem only able to apply their logical freethinking to a single topic, namely how wrong all the religioustards are.  Which is essentially like pointing out that water is wet.  Both obvious and easy.  Now, if they applied some critical thinking as to the workings of the economy, or international politics, or the function of the media, or indeed virtually anything else...then I might take the complaint about "zomg irrational people being irrational!" more seriously.  But of course, those topics are hard, and may not be as socially acceptable as atheism (I know this is highly dependent on location, but in the UK for example, atheism barely even raises and eyebrow in most places).

Everyone is irrational about something.  The best you can hope for is education and structuring things so their irrationality does not get too out of hand.

Or, failing that, mockery.

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Or Kill Me / Re: Plus, I Got Religion
« on: March 10, 2009, 02:57:29 pm »
Taken out of human context, words are meaningless.

That context is dependent on people of a specific, time and place.

If all human beings died, many things—words on billboards, roads, heaps of garbage—would remain, but meaning wouldn't.

Meaning lies in human experience, not outside of it or in words themselves.

Words are tools used to create meaning in people.

No, words are meant to communicate between people.  If all human beings died, you have bigger worries, right?  Like being dead.  By your logic, math is subjective, because symbols don't actually mean anything.  Ergo, everyone should pass calculus, because your answer is just as "valid" as mine.

Bullshit navel-lint gathering:  Because it's easier than actually thinking.

Actually, post-structuralist theory has some things in common with Godel's incompleteness theorem.  The idea behind deconstruction and post-structuralism is not "everything is valid" or everything is ultimately meaningless, only that meanings are unstable and can be determined culturally, historically and individually, in short that perfect communication was not possible.  Obvious example, "gay" used to mean happy, but is most commonly used to mean "homosexual" now.

For instance, if we take the work of Derrida, he set out to read texts and pick apart how they used loaded metaphors and phrases and how that related to their overall theories and ideas.  That's hardly an example of not thinking, in fact, it involves linguistically investigating a text to a great degree, teasing out the interplay of figuartive use of language and very critically interrogating the work of others.

Some American philosophers, such as those at Yale, have rightly been denounced for their lackidasical "Making it up as you go along" approach to textual theory and even trying to extend the discoveries of unstable meanings in literary text beyond that realm.  For example:

Quote from: Derrida
What philosopher ever since there were philosophers, what logician since there were logicians, what theoretician ever renounced this axiom: in the order of concepts (since we are speaking of concepts and not of the colours of clouds or the taste of certain chewing gums), when a distinction cannot be rigorous and precise, it is not a distinction at all.

Lacan also said anyone who hijacks language for private purposes must expect to be seen as "psychotic."  Nonetheless, they believed there was a social, cultural and historical component to language, that because people confuse the map for the territory, language often confused the issue, and could be misunderstood, could have unintended meanings, could actually cut us off from reality by making us have to refer to language instead of physical, existing objects in order to communicate.

Seems perfectly reasonable to me, even if Kai and Anomalous didn't explain it in the best way possibly (ironically, helping to prove that language can be unstable).

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Losing Their Religion?
« on: March 10, 2009, 02:04:18 pm »
There was a religious revival in most of the world (Europe aside) in the 1980s.

Connected to the economic depression at all?

Or political depression.  I know the religious revival in the Middle East was due to the failures of Arab nationalism and a response to the Iranian revolution.  The US, South America, Africa, Central Asia et al may have other explanatory factors.

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Beyond the wall / Re: FRED'S THOUGHTS ON WATCHMEN MOVIE
« on: March 10, 2009, 01:58:35 pm »
OK, I just saw the film (finished about 10 minutes ago).

Immediate impressions:

Both too long and too rushed.  May have been better as a trilogy, or even as a one-off TV series.
Music in some scenes was annoying.  Yes, we get it was set in the mid 80s.  Now stop playing pop music from before when I was born.
Zack Snyder was a poor choice of director.  Sadly, John Frankenheimer is dead, but someone more with his sort of experience, of actually gritty, politically involved films would have been better.
Same for camera work.  Looked too glossy, and clean cut.  Made it feel like a comic, on the screen.
Casting was generally good.
Despite having to rush through it, was generally faithful to the plot.
That said, I have misgivings about the ending and wonder about the credibility of what Ozymandias did in the film, compared to the comic.

All in all, fairly average.  Could have been done better, but equally could have been done much, much worse.  I think some mistakes could have been fixed, but others were more due to the problem of converting it to the big screen in the first place.  Would watch again, but would not say it was brilliant.

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Literate Chaotic / Re: I had a GREAT idea for a book
« on: March 10, 2009, 01:44:27 pm »
That sounds like it could be truly hilarious.

As for the Orc nation/racial overtones thing...you may be right.  My hope was by representing them as products of their environment and culture, and the idea of the "violent, stupid orc" being akin to propaganda due to past border conflicts and wars, showing that conflict is a result of realpolitik, actual political considerations, resource grabs and religious intolerance, I might make the point clear.

The problem there, of course, is factoring in whether that will actually be noticed. Then again, so long as intelligent readers notice, and notice what I'm lampooning, it may not matter.

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Beyond the wall / Re: LMNO, you've been outdone.
« on: March 10, 2009, 01:06:29 pm »
Also, extracts of "Snape on the Astral Plain" found by Fandom Wank: http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1015949.html

Quote
My Personal Unbreakable Vow to Severus...
My Unbreakable Vow to Severus Snape

I promise to be always faithful in body and mind, and never love another man.
I promise to love and cherish you all of my life.
I promise to respect and honour you all of my life.
I promise to dedicate all of my life to you.
I promise to stand by you in good times and bad times.
I promise to protect and guard you, and to prevent you from any harm.
I promise to provide anything you need for you.
I promise to take the best care of you.
I promise to use your name with the respect it deserves.
I promise to always wear the ring with your name in it, as a symbol of my love.
I promise to obey you, no matter what.
I promise to respect your wishes and not to be selfish.
I promise to look after you in sickness and in health.

I solemnly promise all of this to you, Severus Snape, my only love.
May these words create a strong loving bond, which can only be broken by death.
If I break the promises made, or treat you not in the manner I should be, I'll make sure I'll die.
May all the good forces and spirits bless our love eternally....
So it will be done...

Lady Darkness

Just one sample

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Losing Their Religion?
« on: March 10, 2009, 01:00:43 pm »
There was a religious revival in most of the world (Europe aside) in the 1980s.

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