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Principia Discussion / Re: Link to the PD?
« on: June 26, 2009, 03:28:54 pm »
I'm not gone for good, just not drunk thread-making anymore.

Not... drunk?

I think you may be missing the point of the Internet.

yeah, i see what you mean. fuck it, i don't mind getting belittled on the internet. and this shit makes me laugh, anyway. cheers, y'all.


Everyone needs to keep Googling "is michael jackson dead?" on Google.  Its already triggered their DOS attack defence system, due to the volume of searches.  Today could be the day we take down Google!

« on: June 26, 2009, 01:48:11 pm »

A British man who has accused the government of collusion in his alleged torture in Bangladesh has spoken for the first time.

Jamil Rahman, who is suing the Home office, says he believes MI5 were responsible for his arrest in 2005.

He claims Bangladeshi officers beat him and threatened to rape his wife if he did not confess to being a terrorist.

The BBC cannot verify the claims; the Home Office says it will respond with vigour to any action Mr Rahman brings.

The British government says it does not condone torture or its use abroad.

In his first interview since launching a legal action against the government, Mr Rahman told the BBC that he was arrested in Bangladesh in December 2005 by the DGFI intelligence agency.

The former civil servant from south Wales had emigrated earlier that year to marry.

Mr Rahman said he believed that two MI5 officers directed his arrest and were aware that he was subsequently subjected to physical and mental abuse.

He was initially held for three weeks before being released. His alleged mistreatment continued at sporadic interviews for another two years.

Speaking for the first time about the alleged abuse, Mr Rahman said that Bangladeshi officers assaulted him after he was taken to an interrogation centre.

“They stripped me naked and said that if I didn’t say what they wanted me to say, they would rape me and my wife and burn her and other family members.

“They told me to say I was al-Qaeda and the organiser of the 7/7 [London suicide] bombings.”

The 31-year-old told the BBC that two British men would question him separately. He later concluded they were the same balaclava-wearing men to whom Bangladeshi officers turned to for orders during his arrest.

“The first time [they interviewed me] they tried to be friendly, they came in trying to show they were my friends, calm and relaxed, nothing wrong. I tried to demonstrate my innocence – I thought this is wrong, because they were British I might get some justice.

“But they just said ‘they had not done a good job on you’ we need a ten minute break. The DGFI guys would take me to a room and beat me.”

Surveillance pictures

Mr Rahman says that he was questioned about bomb plots and shown scores of surveillance pictures taken in the UK.

“They were questioning me on the July 7 bombings, showing me pictures of the bombers. I didn’t even know who they were. They showed me hundreds of pictures. Black, white, Chinese, bearded non-bearded, woman, man, young and old. Every time, they came for a new session, same pictures with new ones.

“They showed me maps, terrains of Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan, UK, they asked me to draw things out and write names next to pictures.

“The main thing they wanted me to be is a witness against another British man in Bangladesh. They pressured me so much to be a witness against this guy in court.

“They threatened my family. [The MI5 officers] they go to me: ‘In the UK, gas leaks happen, if your family house had a gas leak and everyone got burnt, there’s no problems, we can do that easily.

“It was all to do with the British,” he said. “Even the Bengali intelligence officer told me that they didn’t know anything about me, that they were only doing this for the British.”

Mr Rahman admits that he attended meetings in the UK of the radical Islamist group, al-Muhajiroun, but that he rejected their ideology before his emigration for marriage.

In a statement, the Home Office said it would respond vigorously to any action that Mr Rahman brings.

“We firmly reject any suggestion that we torture people or ask others to do so on our behalf. Mr Rahman has made a lot of unsubstantiated allegations. They have not been evidenced in any court of law.”

The Bangladeshi government has not answered BBC requests for a response to Mr Rahman’s allegations.

At least seven former detainees are now alleging British collusion in their mistreatment abroad. Their cases list 19 alleged officers – although it’s not clear whether they are all separate people because of the use of pseudonyms.

BBC home affairs correspondent Daniel Sandford said the allegations went against what security service personnel would be taught.

“Those who are familiar with MI5’s techniques say the whole point about the way MI5 works is they try to build a rapport with people,” he said.

“If people think you’re involved in their torture then how are you going to get any information out of them that you can rely on?”

But hey, nevermind that, some fat pig of an MP spent taxpayers money on buying sweets!  We have to remember the important abuses of power here.

Principia Discussion / Now this, I like
« on: June 26, 2009, 01:15:06 pm »
COTSG kicking it old skool here:

Aneristic Illusions / Re: The Fourth Amendment makes a comeback...
« on: June 26, 2009, 01:09:18 pm »

For an anarchist/minarchist, he's pretty funny. Also some of his recipes are very nice indeed.

Oh, he also said this:

"This is where you have to look at the totality of the circumstances in the case," says Matthew Wright, lawyer for the school district.

When asked whether such an extensive search made sense for a pill that is the equivalent of two Advil, Wright says school officials cannot have known these were the only pills.

"With hindsight and with calm reflection, we can look back and say, 'OK, what kind of danger really was there on campus?'" Wright says. "But when you're on the ground making on-the-spot decisions, you don't have that luxury. School administrators are not pharmacologically trained in being able to assess the relative dangers any one drug might present, but what they are charged with is to make sure that students are kept safe from such threats of danger."

-Morning Edition on NPR

I like this line of argument and plan to use it at work. "Well, boss, with hindsight and calm reflection I should not have have pulled the fire alarm and started throwing elderly trustees out the window, but I was on the ground making on-the-spot decisions, and I didn't have that luxury."

I am not on principle opposed to the idea that the exigencies of certain circumstances dictate that we respond without long reflection. Situational ethics and all that. From time to time, all of us are called to act within the constraints of a too short time frame, or on imperfect or incomplete information. And all of us act all the time without the benefit of hindsight, which is a tautology, but a useful one.

As an attorney arguing that exigent circumstances forced more precipitous action than was desirable in retrospect, however, it is best not to craft an argument that makes your clients sound like monstrous, ignorant dumbasses. Arguing that school officials, for instance, have an unfettered right to search any student's body and person at any time and with any degree of invasiveness because they have no fucking idea what it is they're looking for nor reason to believe that the student in question possesses this ineffable quantity seems to me like a loser, even given your Scalias and such.

Shouldn't we be astonished at just how thoroughly the language of safety, security, and control have overtaken the language of teaching and instruction in the mouths of pedagogues? Schools are drug-free zones, where students are protected from violence, where bullying is not tolerated, one strike and you're out, etc. etc. Whatever happened to the three Rs?

UPDATE: Aaaaaand nevermind. Drugsrbad. Thanks.

Oh, and this:

Yo, someone should explain to the WaPo that senior school officials as senior administrators have a fiduciary relationship to their organizations that makes them legally responsible and liable when their shit is breakin' the law, breakin' the law, especially when they themselves directed the school to do so.

Also, just for shits, how fucking tawdry and prurient is it to take to the nation's second major editorial page to argue for the dire necessity of stripping thirteen-year-old girls?

Aneristic Illusions / Re: The Fourth Amendment makes a comeback...
« on: June 26, 2009, 01:01:26 pm »
Quote from: IOZ
Consider the logic of it. On the one hand, schoolchildren are so extremely vulnerable, so easily damaged, so fragile, suggestible, damageable, flimsy, and corruptible that we cannot even allow them to be exposed to aspirin or cough drops. On the other, hauling a child in front of adults, compelling her to strip, and forcing her to behave in a thoroughly degrading manner is no big deal, mere embarrassment; she'll get over it; kids are resilient. Has there ever been any society, ever, in the history of the world, that has devoted so much of its genius to the production of such thoroughly incomprehensible and inconsistent standards, such nonsensical cultural attitudes? It's like our one true native art.

Techmology and Scientism / Re: 1.6 Terabytes!!!!
« on: June 26, 2009, 12:45:30 pm »
Am I the only one actually satisfied with watching medium-quality downloaded films of around 700MB, and listening to 256kbps mp3s? Seems like every motherfucker's gotta have FLAC and BLU-RAY.
Yeah that's right, smart-guy, your Blu-ray films look really sharp, pity you can only afford to own 15 movies. Me? I've got a couple hundred movies on my hard drive, but the quality on them is merely fine. I mean, you can tell you're just watching a picture on a screen, you know? :(

Broken AI: Don't worry, Internet is speeding up too, remember downloading a bunch of mp3s on Napster used to take just as long? But seriously, how much do you need the title screen and polish subtitles? Just download the 700MB .avi file, much easier!

I'm OK with those, personally.  700 MB, avi format films and 256kbps, that is.

That said, my parents do have a HDTV right now, and the clarity on more recent films, such as Iron Man, is very impressive.  I can see why someone would want to test the potential of such a system through ever increasing quality films (whilst also recognizing there is, of course, a lucrative market in such things).

Or Kill Me / Re: Bridge Deconstruction Ahead
« on: June 26, 2009, 12:40:38 pm »
I can actually think of four members who are grad students or, were, or will be very soon, off the top of my head.  Most of the rest have either gone to University, are still attending or have the equivalent level of intelligence to have gone, other circumstances permitting.

We're not quite the brain factory that, say, the xkcd forums are, where the vast majority of their sizeable membership are sciences or computing grad students, but we're not shabby.  Unfortunately, I chose to study a topic nearly everyone thinks they know something about, but do not, which means I don't like to discuss it since I'll then have to spend my time refuting idiots.  Not here, just generally.  I'm starting to feel a lot of sympathy with the scientists who keep rebutting creationists.

OK, two dead means one is left.  Celebrity deaths always come in threes.

Obviously a set-up by the Zionist-Muslimo-Marxist-Black Power conspiracy, who rightly see Hal Turner as the greatest threat to their hegemony.

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Techmology and Scientism / Re: How to Shrink a Quarter WITH SCIENCE!
« on: June 25, 2009, 10:58:48 pm »
Damascus steel is a huge let down.  It doesn't even cut through rocks, like they said it did.  :sad:

Still better than the Wapanese katana obsession though, by far.

Principia Discussion / Re: ITT: Goons give us feedback
« on: June 25, 2009, 10:23:03 pm »

“The biggest self of self is, indeed, self …”


Principia Discussion / Re: ITT: Goons give us feedback
« on: June 25, 2009, 04:31:11 pm »

I'm not sure why, either.  Must be either a broken left mouse button, or laziness.  Or both.

Or Kill Me / Re: Samsara
« on: June 25, 2009, 04:14:51 pm »
And I thought psychoanalysis was a bullshit magnet.

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