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The Barstool Experiment

Started by LHX, June 13, 2006, 05:31:36 PM

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Fuzzymike

Rev. What's-His-Name?

So a 0-2 yr old whos parents are kind and nurturing and giving would have the same foundation to build on as a 0-2 yr old who's parents were hateful and neglectful and cruel. I find it hard to believe that under those circumstances the parents could fail to have an impact. Yes those years are mainly about learning about the world but the world is more than just what you can touch, smell, see, and hear. If you had read to your child the principia discordia at such an early age, no she would not have grasped the ideas you were reading to her but she would grasp the idea of "My parents like me and are willing to pay attention and spend time with me." Which in the end can have a more profound impact then smacking her with 5 tons of flax.  :) It's the foundation that ideas and beleifs are built on that develop at that early age.

As for our elders perpetrating the illusion, they have no choice, they teach as they were taught(sp) and cannot really be held accountable. I was using that as an example. But the end result right or wrong is one and the same, the ones who come before teach the ones who come after. whether the lesson is right or wrong is for the individual to figure out.

Why do humans feel the need to teach others of the species? Do these others ask to be educated, or is it forced. I for one look back at my years of education as a form of mental rape. But thats just me.

So the barstool exists independant of my belief in it, but can it affect me if I percieve that it cannot? I for one choose to belive that no it cannot. I have the option to, as triple zero says, duck or move out of the way or shoot the ass who picked it up in the first place. Just because something exists does not mean that we have to CHOOSE to let it effect us (consciously or un).


Sorry if this post appears to bounce around a bit it was written at work with many distractions invoved.
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Fuzzymike, From an earlier post of yours:

QuoteThats a long ass time for my parents and anyone else around me during that time to impose their will, their perceptions, their beliefs on mine. And at such a critical time when I have no defense, no way to cut out the bull shit and lies.

In your latest post you are talking about whether or not the parents "are willing to pay attention and spend time" with the child. 

I see these as two different ideas. 

I agree with the second one, in that whether or not parents choose to spend meaningful attention and time with their child does have an impact.  However, I still disagree with the premise of the first quoted statement.  That statement seems to imply parents grafting certain values and perceptions on the infant, which as I stated before, I don't believe is possible with a child that young.  An infant does not have the capacity to contemplate "bullshit and lies." 

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Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on May 24, 2007, 09:18:28 PM
Fuzzymike, From an earlier post of yours:

QuoteThats a long ass time for my parents and anyone else around me during that time to impose their will, their perceptions, their beliefs on mine. And at such a critical time when I have no defense, no way to cut out the bull shit and lies.

In your latest post you are talking about whether or not the parents "are willing to pay attention and spend time" with the child. 

I see these as two different ideas. 

I agree with the second one, in that whether or not parents choose to spend meaningful attention and time with their child does have an impact.  However, I still disagree with the premise of the first quoted statement.  That statement seems to imply parents grafting certain values and perceptions on the infant, which as I stated before, I don't believe is possible with a child that young.  An infant does not have the capacity to contemplate "bullshit and lies." 



No but it does provide the foundation for cause and effect - stimulus and response.

That's the really deep rooted, imprinting shit that's almost impossibe to change in later life

the diff between "when I cry mommy comes" and "when I cry I get beaten"

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Fuzzymike

Quote from: SillyCybin on May 24, 2007, 09:24:27 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on May 24, 2007, 09:18:28 PM
Fuzzymike, From an earlier post of yours:

QuoteThats a long ass time for my parents and anyone else around me during that time to impose their will, their perceptions, their beliefs on mine. And at such a critical time when I have no defense, no way to cut out the bull shit and lies.

In your latest post you are talking about whether or not the parents "are willing to pay attention and spend time" with the child. 

I see these as two different ideas. 

I agree with the second one, in that whether or not parents choose to spend meaningful attention and time with their child does have an impact.  However, I still disagree with the premise of the first quoted statement.  That statement seems to imply parents grafting certain values and perceptions on the infant, which as I stated before, I don't believe is possible with a child that young.  An infant does not have the capacity to contemplate "bullshit and lies." 



No but it does provide the foundation for cause and effect - stimulus and response.

That's the really deep rooted, imprinting shit that's almost impossibe to change in later life

the diff between "when I cry mommy comes" and "when I cry I get beaten"

Thank you that is almost exactly whati was going for I just couldn't get it out that simply, being a victim of childhood myself.
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Quote from: saint aini on May 24, 2007, 10:38:29 PM
The beatings will continue until morale improves.

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Quote from: hunter s.durden on May 24, 2007, 10:40:19 PM
Quote from: saint aini on May 24, 2007, 10:38:29 PM
The beatings will continue until morale improves.

The shirt I'm wearing right now says that.

If I were wearing a shirt... it would either be black or say that.
Mary: Let me ask you something.
[Grabs his hand]
Mary: Why are you alive?
John Preston: [Breaks free] I'm alive... I live... to safeguard the continuity of this great society. To serve Libria.
Mary: It's circular. You exist to continue your existence. What's the point?
John Preston: What's the point of your existence?
Mary: To feel. 'Cause you've never done it, you can never know it. But it's as vital as breath. And without it, without love, without anger, without sorrow, breath is just a clock... ticking.

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I'm gunna make you a shirt that says: Future An Hero.
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I have every intention of making everyone else go an hero before me.

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[Grabs his hand]
Mary: Why are you alive?
John Preston: [Breaks free] I'm alive... I live... to safeguard the continuity of this great society. To serve Libria.
Mary: It's circular. You exist to continue your existence. What's the point?
John Preston: What's the point of your existence?
Mary: To feel. 'Cause you've never done it, you can never know it. But it's as vital as breath. And without it, without love, without anger, without sorrow, breath is just a clock... ticking.

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Quote from: Felix on May 25, 2007, 05:44:55 AM
I want to be last so I can rest easy knowing we didn't fuck the universe up with some fangled invention that collapses dimensions.

I want to collapse dimensions.

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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 25, 2007, 05:47:44 AM
Quote from: Felix on May 25, 2007, 05:44:55 AM
I want to be last so I can rest easy knowing we didn't fuck the universe up with some fangled invention that collapses dimensions.

I want to collapse dimensions.


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Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 09:08:31 PM
So the barstool exists independant of my belief in it, but can it affect me if I percieve that it cannot? I for one choose to belive that no it cannot. I have the option to, as triple zero says, duck or move out of the way or shoot the ass who picked it up in the first place. Just because something exists does not mean that we have to CHOOSE to let it effect us (consciously or un).

If you duck or move out of the way, that indicates that, yes indeed, you do believe in the barstools existence.

You moved from "belief that the barstool exists" to "belief that the barstool will hurt me", which are two completely different things.

The issue wasn't if the barstool will affect you or not.  The issue was it's existence in external reality.

AFK

Quote from: SillyCybin on May 24, 2007, 09:24:27 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on May 24, 2007, 09:18:28 PM
Fuzzymike, From an earlier post of yours:

QuoteThats a long ass time for my parents and anyone else around me during that time to impose their will, their perceptions, their beliefs on mine. And at such a critical time when I have no defense, no way to cut out the bull shit and lies.

In your latest post you are talking about whether or not the parents "are willing to pay attention and spend time" with the child. 

I see these as two different ideas. 

I agree with the second one, in that whether or not parents choose to spend meaningful attention and time with their child does have an impact.  However, I still disagree with the premise of the first quoted statement.  That statement seems to imply parents grafting certain values and perceptions on the infant, which as I stated before, I don't believe is possible with a child that young.  An infant does not have the capacity to contemplate "bullshit and lies." 



No but it does provide the foundation for cause and effect - stimulus and response.

That's the really deep rooted, imprinting shit that's almost impossibe to change in later life

the diff between "when I cry mommy comes" and "when I cry I get beaten"

See, now you are straying into "I did it because my parent's sucked" territory.  Sure, parents can be neglectful, make mistakes, etc., etc., but that doesn't doom you for life.  It does if you want it to and if you don't want to invest in yourself.  I've known plenty of people who had miserable childhoods that were able to leave that behind.  Sure, I think there are cases where it is so bad that a child can be damaged beyond repair.  However, fuzzymike seems to suggest that it is an epidemic and that all parents are intentionally or unintentionally brainwashing their kids with "perceptions" and "bullshit and lies."  I think that's bullshit. 
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.