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Re: What is The Machine‚Ñ¢?
« Reply #90 on: November 17, 2006, 06:41:59 am »
Probably not.  Its most likely filtered down through leftist rhetoric and anarchist slogans which have informed counter-culture thought as to the nature of social relations in postmodern capitalist states.

Or something.

It may have, but I havent even read that book, so....*shrugs*

Ah that reminds me.

I hate people who talk about "The Machine" IRL. 

9 times out of 10 it's a quasireligious atheist who will talk about "freedom" in similarly vague terms. 

I like a lot of what's being said here, but I think you're pissing into the wind if you think you can bring any sort of real legitimacy to "The Machine."  It's the domain of half-wits.

Coin a new motherfucking phrase or put a hot iron in your ass.  Please.
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Re: What is The Machine‚Ñ¢?
« Reply #91 on: November 17, 2006, 06:49:19 am »
I agree.  It does sound like a meeting of 14 year old anarchists ITT at times....

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Re: What is The Machine‚Ñ¢?
« Reply #92 on: November 17, 2006, 07:33:37 am »
Pink Floyd invented it - track 2 on Wish you were here album - Welcome to the Machine
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Re: What is The Machine‚Ñ¢?
« Reply #93 on: November 17, 2006, 10:20:09 am »
Coin a new motherfucking phrase or put a hot iron in your ass.  Please.

The Hive?  Vast Media Super-Structure?  Business as usual?

Any new term (e.g. The Matrix) is a joke or can be turned into one very quickly.  As soon as you can apply a catchy term to a complex/nuanced concept, your ideas can be coopted and twisted around by the very "Machine" you were trying to make progress against or have a meaningful discussion about.

I guess one of the reasons we have such a dumbed down society, as blatantly evidenced by pop culture, is that many people in the US (especially) don't need to use their minds much for survival/daily life.  I read an anthropolgy article abot fishermen in traditional societies who take into account the water depth, type of fish, stream current, etc. before carving a hook.  Most office drones don't require anywhere near these critical thought capabilities.  Yet, most live in relative opulence.

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RAW's writing of the RICH economy had most people sitting on their asses after they received a gov't check because their jobs had been rendered obsolete.  Right now The MachineOr some other canned label has most people working jobs that could be performed by a machine.  Instead, many of us are tapping away on a keyboard for a Resource Ration every week or two.

The Protestant Work Ethic is strong in the US and it will keep pushing people to burn themselves out w/ stress until the whole structure of society collapses.
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Re: What is The Machine‚Ñ¢?
« Reply #94 on: November 17, 2006, 12:49:57 pm »
I considered the use of "Machine‚Ñ¢" (coined in PD06 use by TGRR, btw) to be more Kafka-esque, as in an inexorably grinding juggernought that will grind you up & spit you out.



Neurongot, please to be doing more than complaining... please to be giving us a more useful term.

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Re: What is The Machine‚Ñ¢?
« Reply #95 on: November 17, 2006, 12:57:23 pm »
How about 'Operation Mindfuck' Double edged sword that one - downside describes the machine to me
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Re: What is The Machine‚Ñ¢?
« Reply #96 on: November 17, 2006, 01:01:32 pm »
The Machine‚Ñ¢ as O:M?



I'm not too sure of that...


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Re: What is The Machine‚Ñ¢?
« Reply #97 on: November 17, 2006, 01:50:50 pm »
lmao

any word we come up with would be cliche eventually too

how about the Devil?

how about The Invisible Shapeshifting Oppressive Illusion of Doom?
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Re: What is The Machine‚Ñ¢?
« Reply #98 on: November 17, 2006, 01:53:39 pm »
The Machine‚Ñ¢ as O:M?



I'm not too sure of that...


(...ellipsis for teh Badger...)

TMtm (just realised The Machinetm is TM2), might not be OM but it certainly does it. I always saw the operation itself to be the art of using the machine's component systems against it. I think I mentioned before that, until I found this discordian caper, I'd only ever heard the term used in one of Pete Carroll's books and he was referring to performing the process on yourself (or that's the impression I got - I was quite stoned when I read it). I really immersed myself in this and ended up totally rearranging and reprogramming some of the fundamental systems in my own mind.

The way discordian thought applies the metaphor seems to be to externalise the structure that is being hacked but the fundamental technologies employed obey many of the same generic principles applied to the personality and thought matrices.

In both paradigms there is an existing structure which is working oppressively to limit certain modes or aspects of conscious existence which 'we' wish to liberate experientially. In both paradigms these processes are inverted, subverted, reverted or perverted, depending how the notion takes you and where you want to take it.

I maintain the machine is necessary, right down to the most fundamental level's, it is everything. What the machine needs to be is not destroyed but to be pimped, tweaked, bugfixed, virused, hacked, reverse engineered. As cain put it - open sourced and all that that glorious software vision promised us back in the early days.

My vision, now that I've began to experiment in the external structure of this 'Machine' is just to make the whole thing more fun, just as one of the keys to zen enlightenment lies in seeing the 'funny side' of existence, so I feel the wheels of Operation Mass Enlightenment might be greased if more people just chill out and have a laugh I try to be relentless in my efforts to cheer others up and appreciate it when they do the same to me in return.

Maybe having a laugh is just glossing shit over and ignoring all the fundamentally bad, evil issues that plague human existence but answer me this- if everyone woke up tomorrow, pissing themselves laughing like a hippie in a 24 hour, bong induced giggling fit, how many bullets would be fired that day?
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Re: What is The Machine‚Ñ¢?
« Reply #99 on: November 17, 2006, 03:17:44 pm »
but answer me this- if everyone woke up tomorrow, pissing themselves laughing like a hippie in a 24 hour, bong induced giggling fit, how many bullets would be fired that day?

The answer *is* greater than zero.  Just so you know.  Manic-depressives are actually just as likely to hurt themselves when they're up as when they're down.
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Re: What is The Machine‚Ñ¢?
« Reply #100 on: November 17, 2006, 03:54:56 pm »
Maybe having a laugh is just glossing shit over and ignoring all the fundamentally bad, evil issues that plague human existence but answer me this- if everyone woke up tomorrow, pissing themselves laughing like a hippie in a 24 hour, bong induced giggling fit, how many bullets would be fired that day?
you said it when you said glossing over

no bullets would be fired until bellys started rumbling

laughter is a big part of it, i agree


The Machine feeds off fear and desire

maybe its afraid and feels incomplete


if most people suddenly found themself in heaven, they would prolly squirm and want out at first

people get a real adrenaline rush out of fear and competition and having their ego threatened

it takes a long time to get that out of the system


stimulation

the sensitivities of people these days shows more and more how we are connected - we can make each other jump so easily


i seen fights break out over scuffed shoes and parking spaces

plus we can even raise peoples anger thru the internet tube truck tree system
- maybe there is a open wound inside peoples heads that needs to be healed
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Re: What is The Machine™?
« Reply #101 on: November 17, 2006, 06:15:56 pm »
The tubetruck of strife, whose branchy tree pilot produces bushels of shiny gold apples for little boys and girls.

I'm still interested in what Tentasticle was doing with trying to outline the internet elemental properties with a search engine designed to scope out it's focuses.

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Re: What is The Machine‚Ñ¢?
« Reply #102 on: November 17, 2006, 07:33:24 pm »
I'm still interested in what Tentasticle was doing with trying to outline the internet elemental properties with a search engine designed to scope out it's focuses.

who did what?
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Re: What is The Machine™?
« Reply #103 on: November 17, 2006, 07:55:00 pm »
There was an MW immigrant that was cool but left for some reason, who was doing some sort of program that would gauge the elemental forces of the internet for things like sentience, benevolence, wisdom, stupididty, etc.  A cool project, suffice to say, and I never heard back about it.

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Re: What is The Machine‚Ñ¢?
« Reply #104 on: November 17, 2006, 08:26:59 pm »
damn

thats pretty intense
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