Illuminatus! Trilogy

[LMNO]

http://somethingpositive.net/sp12102002.shtml

Right, because if it wasn't for the British police force (I'm a Brit, so...) people would, like, be commiting more crimes.

Oh noes!  What happened to your bolded text, RJ?

[Hit the Road Jack]

http://somethingpositive.net/sp12102002.shtml

Right, because if it wasn't for the British police force (I'm a Brit, so...) people would, like, be commiting more crimes.

Oh noes!  What happened to your bolded text, RJ?

You deleted it.

And that's what guns are for.

[LMNO]

So, how would the entire situation not devolve into gangs and militias fighting each other?


No, srsly.  I'm interested in hearing how you would sustain a society without a police force.

[Hit the Road Jack]

So, how would the entire situation not devolve into gangs and militias fighting each other?


No, srsly.  I'm interested in hearing how you would sustain a society without a police force.

........... flee to the Canadian mountains, LOL.

Well, it's a loaded question. I'd tell you when we get there, but right now, it's not so easy for me to give you any crystal ball opinions. I know that from experiancing life ithe Greek island of Crete, where there is about 5 policeman for the etire island (only a slight exageration), people get along fine. There is no gang warfare. There are no police to handle it, even if there was. So, that's one example. And you can feel free to provide me with any conflicting evidence regarding Crete. What about Chicago, you ask? Well... do you see us getting anywhere near statelesness in our lifetimes without there first being a devestating WW4 systems crash? There ya' go.

[LMNO]

Question:  Are there any other systems that help enforce the social status quo on Crete?

For example:  Mafia, Militias, the Church, etc.  I would suspect there are.  So in a sense, you're trading one set of enforcement for another.  Not exactly anarchy.

[Cain]

What do you think makes Crete different from the UK, in that respect then?  I'm sure you know what most towns in this country are like on a Friday night, for example, so I have to wonder what makes it different. 

As an aside, I know when I was in Peru I was on an island on Lake Titicaca which was very similar to how you describe Crete, in fact I think all the cops were on the mainland.

[P3nT4gR4m]

The island of Luing off the west coast of scotland has a police force of 1. He also sells paraffin. If you want to buy some, you just walk right in the front door of his house and shout "hello".

There are 12 people living on the island of Luing. I suspect if there were a couple of hundred the place would be a war zone.

[Hit the Road Jack]

Question:  Are there any other systems that help enforce the social status quo on Crete?

For example:  Mafia, Militias, the Church, etc.  I would suspect there are.  So in a sense, you're trading one set of enforcement for another.  Not exactly anarchy.

Humans are humans, so of course there are going to be systems of Destructive Discord, negative grids of reality trough which people choose to percieve the world. So yes, there is a strong religious prescence, but it's nothing that wouldn't die out ina generation or two if under slightly different conditions, as it has everywhere else. And besides, no one pays much attention to it anyway. Condoms aren't decreed to be the devil's playthings, for example.

Are there any militias? Well, no, not rly. Why would there be?

Is there a mafia? No. Not unless you count the odd drug dealer here and there. But hey, the CIA grows most of that shit anyway! : D

[Hit the Road Jack]

What do you think makes Crete different from the UK, in that respect then?  I'm sure you know what most towns in this country are like on a Friday night, for example, so I have to wonder what makes it different. 

As an aside, I know when I was in Peru I was on an island on Lake Titicaca which was very similar to how you describe Crete, in fact I think all the cops were on the mainland.

Well, you do know Britain is one of the worst places to live in the EU, right? So then, we have to ask why that is. To a lesser or greater extent, I think it has to do with making an example of us, for the New World Order. We are kind of a test scheme here. So, you'd have to look at all sorts of things, like how our schools differ from those of other EU countries, to how much drug shit is pushed by intelligence agencies, all sorts of things. But let's not forget, that Crete has a a helluva' lot more sun than we do! It's smaller, less entangled in politics... just more laid back.

[Hit the Road Jack]

"Humans are humans, so of course there are going to be systems of Destructive Discord, negative grids of reality trough which people choose to percieve the world. So yes, there is a strong religious prescence, but it's nothing that wouldn't die out ina generation or two if under slightly different conditions, as it has everywhere else."

I should have wrote "as it has in other parts"

[Cain]

What do you think makes Crete different from the UK, in that respect then?  I'm sure you know what most towns in this country are like on a Friday night, for example, so I have to wonder what makes it different. 

As an aside, I know when I was in Peru I was on an island on Lake Titicaca which was very similar to how you describe Crete, in fact I think all the cops were on the mainland.

Well, you do know Britain is one of the worst places to live in the EU, right? So then, we have to ask why that is. To a lesser or greater extent, I think it has to do with making an example of us, for the New World Order. We are kind of a test scheme here. So, you'd have to look at all sorts of things, like how our schools differ from those of other EU countries, to how much drug shit is pushed by intelligence agencies, all sorts of things. But let's not forget, that Crete has a a helluva' lot more sun than we do! It's smaller, less entangled in politics... just more laid back.

I wondered if it had anything to do with population size myself.  You can get a few thousand to get on quite well with minimal policing, but obviously with more people you not only have the opportunity for violence to break out more often, chances are you wont know (and so wont care) about who you attack and, because of the size of society, you can actually still get by quite well even if you do upset a few people, unlike smaller communities who can ostracize such an individual.

[Hit the Road Jack]

What do you think makes Crete different from the UK, in that respect then?  I'm sure you know what most towns in this country are like on a Friday night, for example, so I have to wonder what makes it different. 

As an aside, I know when I was in Peru I was on an island on Lake Titicaca which was very similar to how you describe Crete, in fact I think all the cops were on the mainland.

Well, you do know Britain is one of the worst places to live in the EU, right? So then, we have to ask why that is. To a lesser or greater extent, I think it has to do with making an example of us, for the New World Order. We are kind of a test scheme here. So, you'd have to look at all sorts of things, like how our schools differ from those of other EU countries, to how much drug shit is pushed by intelligence agencies, all sorts of things. But let's not forget, that Crete has a a helluva' lot more sun than we do! It's smaller, less entangled in politics... just more laid back.

I wondered if it had anything to do with population size myself.  You can get a few thousand to get on quite well with minimal policing, but obviously with more people you not only have the opportunity for violence to break out more often, chances are you wont know (and so wont care) about who you attack and, because of the size of society, you can actually still get by quite well even if you do upset a few people, unlike smaller communities who can ostracize such an individual.

Britain is disgustingly packed.

There's out-and-out Mad Max anarchy, and the there's devolution. Downsizing, tribalization.

[Hit the Road Jack]

As apposed to... the rule of Bush's/Obama's military tribunals?

There's no difference.  Ever heard of what they did to "criminals" (meaning people who disagreed with the warlords) in Somalia?  Its not pretty reading.  You think waterboarding is bad, wait until you're forced to kill members of your own family because of the "shame" they may have bought on you for fraternizing with another warlord's people.  Welcome to anarchy.

By the way, if anyone wants to site Iraq and Afghanistan, don't, because there not valid examples. Ever heard of P2OG? False flagging? The Basra prison break?

[Hit the Road Jack]

I've gotta' decide whether I'm posting in bold or not, LOL.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I'd say go for it - it makes you come across as really cool and important