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Started by LHX, December 10, 2006, 03:23:56 PM

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Quote from: Starship, take me on December 14, 2006, 01:49:24 AM
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on December 13, 2006, 04:22:56 PM
Then again, I do feel rather strongly that the "salvation by space colonization" arguement is bullshit.
Yes, it's bullshit, that's why no real student of the subject suggests that.  Not me, not Freeman Dyson, Bob Zubrin or anyone else.  They and I are optimists and don't piss puerile misanthropy under the banner of a goddess of chaos.  Sure, people do plenty of hideous stuff.  Einstein treated women like crap and raged against quantum theory.  But this is no reason to say humans shouldn't reproduce, but I realize you were NOT just sayin' that.

The idea behind space colonization is not to "evacuate Earth" or some tripe.  Africa wasn't evacuated when humans spread over the rest of the Earth.  However, humans and our descendant species might be living in places other than a vulnerable blue speck in the far future.

Just think about the first unicellular organisms that all life on this planet descended from moving out of primordial tidal pools, if that helps any.

So, then, what is the real aim/purpose of space colonization?

Because, to me, and I admit I could be totally misguided, it's all about "because we might be able to"  (notice I didn't say, "because we can", NASA's track record isn't good enough to warrant that meme)
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 14, 2006, 02:50:16 PM
Quote from: Starship, take me on December 14, 2006, 01:49:24 AM
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on December 13, 2006, 04:22:56 PM
Then again, I do feel rather strongly that the "salvation by space colonization" arguement is bullshit.
Yes, it's bullshit, that's why no real student of the subject suggests that.  Not me, not Freeman Dyson, Bob Zubrin or anyone else.  They and I are optimists and don't piss puerile misanthropy under the banner of a goddess of chaos.  Sure, people do plenty of hideous stuff.  Einstein treated women like crap and raged against quantum theory.  But this is no reason to say humans shouldn't reproduce, but I realize you were NOT just sayin' that.

The idea behind space colonization is not to "evacuate Earth" or some tripe.  Africa wasn't evacuated when humans spread over the rest of the Earth.  However, humans and our descendant species might be living in places other than a vulnerable blue speck in the far future.

Just think about the first unicellular organisms that all life on this planet descended from moving out of primordial tidal pools, if that helps any.

So, then, what is the real aim/purpose of space colonization?

Because, to me, and I admit I could be totally misguided, it's all about "because we might be able to"  (notice I didn't say, "because we can", NASA's track record isn't good enough to warrant that meme)

It's the viral will of the dna molecule to spread everywhere. Humanity is merely one, semi successful, conscious wing of that movement. The insects will prolly employ their usual sneak tactic and hide in some food or something and we'll take a bunch of animals and plants with us as part of the biosphere. DNA will not stop until it covers and fills every square millimeter of the universe or it gets wiped out.

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LMNO

Well, if that's true, then that's the flow of nature, and it would be wrong to fight against it, according to some.

P3nT4gR4m

I don't have any problem with it. In fact I'd like to see the end result.

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
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"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

LHX

end result:

success after learning responsibility and respect




(just a hunch)
neat hell

P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: LHX on December 14, 2006, 05:16:05 PM
end result:

success after learning responsibility and respect




(just a hunch)

I was kinda picturing a huge big globulent mass of biology throbbing and pulsating across the whole of infinity but, yeah, that'd be cool too.

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
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Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

AFK

Quote from: SillyCybin on December 14, 2006, 07:17:53 PM
Quote from: LHX on December 14, 2006, 05:16:05 PM
end result:

success after learning responsibility and respect




(just a hunch)

I was kinda picturing a huge big globulent mass of biology throbbing and pulsating across the whole of infinity but, yeah, that'd be cool too.

That would make Akira quite the prophetic movie then wouldn't it?
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 14, 2006, 07:25:56 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on December 14, 2006, 07:17:53 PM
Quote from: LHX on December 14, 2006, 05:16:05 PM
end result:

success after learning responsibility and respect




(just a hunch)

I was kinda picturing a huge big globulent mass of biology throbbing and pulsating across the whole of infinity but, yeah, that'd be cool too.

That would make Akira quite the prophetic movie then wouldn't it?

Bang on! Exactly like the akira blob but infinite.

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

LHX

Quote from: SillyCybin on December 14, 2006, 07:17:53 PM
I was kinda picturing a huge big globulent mass of biology throbbing and pulsating across the whole of infinity but, yeah, that'd be cool too.
you might be right

but even a globule mass could have things living in it


just dont fight the glob




OH MY GLOB!!!

may glob have mercy on you


o no i have gotten carried away
neat hell

B_M_W

Quote from: LHX on December 14, 2006, 05:16:05 PM
end result:

success after learning responsibility and respect




(just a hunch)

Wouldn't it be better to not waste time and do that now then?
One by one, we break the sheep from their Iron Bar Prisons and expand their imaginations, make them think for themselves. In turn, they break more from their prisons. Eventually, critical mass is reached. Our key word: Resolve. Evangelize with compassion and determination. And realize that there will be few in the beginning. We are hand picking our successors. They are the future of Discordianism. Let us guide our future with intelligence.

     --Reverse Brainwashing: A Guide http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=9801.0


6.5 billion Buddhas walking around.

99.xxxxxxx% forgot they are Buddha.

LHX

Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on December 15, 2006, 12:04:46 AM
Quote from: LHX on December 14, 2006, 05:16:05 PM
end result:

success after learning responsibility and respect




(just a hunch)

Wouldn't it be better to not waste time and do that now then?

emphatically yes

with emphasis

[emphasis]yes[/emphasis]
neat hell

AFK

Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Reginald Ret

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 14, 2006, 07:17:53 PM
I was kinda picturing a huge big globulent mass of biology throbbing and pulsating across the whole of infinity but, yeah, that'd be cool too.

what the fuck does globulent mean? googling it gives a site where its called a made-up word and this thread.

anyway something covering the whole of infinity can't resemble a globule.


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Chances are the first colonies will be manufacturing, but moving enough material out of the Earth's atmosphere would cost too much fuel, there was research into using frozen water on the moon's poles and seperating the oxygen and hydrogen, but it's been a few years since I heard about that.

Kai

This was from back when I wasn't such a pussy.
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