ITT, We whine about how bad humanity is (especially white peoples), and rip off

[AFK]

A band like Metallica, honestly, could survive quite comfortably if fans started downloading their back catalogue and stopped buying it in CD stores.  However, an underground metal band (to use an example I am familiar with) cannot.  If one of those bands stops selling, they get dropped very quick, and then they are fucked.  There is nothing more sad really then a legendary, albeit underground, band being left in the dust without a recording contract. 

And really, music isn't that expensive.  What's 13 or 14 bucks for a CD?  Or if that's too steep get ITunes and download it to your computer, most albums are only 10 bucks. 

I guess I'm an old school fogey.  I still look forward to opening a brand new CD and peering over the liner notes like I did when I was an acne ridden teenager.  Watching a little blue progress bar just doens't have the same magic to me. 

[P3nT4gR4m]

The basic argument for me remains as follows:


How is your favorite band going to make money if they can't sell their music?  I don't really give a rat's ass about the record company's "take", or the fact that each album only gives a few pennies to the artist.  Record companies decide if an artist will make more albums dependent on how much money they have made or lost on their last album.  An artist is in debt to the company until they "recoup" the money they spent on the album through sales of the album, not merchendise*.  If the comany feels that the band is a financial risk, they will not put up the money for a second album.

So, every song you steal from your favorite artist hampers them from making more of the music you love.  Especially considering that the artists you probably like are obscure and have tenuous deals in the first place.

That's my whole ethos - if I feel they deserve a donation I'll give it. I just paid 30bucks for medieval 2 total war (i'd already been playing it for a week from a copy I downloaded), that's my contribution to rome2 or whatever the next one is called. I basically award the best bands, games devs and filmmakers every month or two with a donation. I aint gonna go bankrupt paying for everything I watch, play or listen to so that's how I do it. Like I already said- if you have a problem with this then have a nice problem - it aint mine.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The basic argument for me remains as follows:


How is your favorite band going to make money if they can't sell their music?  I don't really give a rat's ass about the record company's "take", or the fact that each album only gives a few pennies to the artist.  Record companies decide if an artist will make more albums dependent on how much money they have made or lost on their last album.  An artist is in debt to the company until they "recoup" the money they spent on the album through sales of the album, not merchendise*.  If the comany feels that the band is a financial risk, they will not put up the money for a second album.

So, every song you steal from your favorite artist hampers them from making more of the music you love.  Especially considering that the artists you probably like are obscure and have tenuous deals in the first place.















*In a standard contract.

Plus, theft is just theft.

Just look what I did to Bhode for "sharing" my tagline.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The basic argument for me remains as follows:


How is your favorite band going to make money if they can't sell their music?  I don't really give a rat's ass about the record company's "take", or the fact that each album only gives a few pennies to the artist.  Record companies decide if an artist will make more albums dependent on how much money they have made or lost on their last album.  An artist is in debt to the company until they "recoup" the money they spent on the album through sales of the album, not merchendise*.  If the comany feels that the band is a financial risk, they will not put up the money for a second album.

So, every song you steal from your favorite artist hampers them from making more of the music you love.  Especially considering that the artists you probably like are obscure and have tenuous deals in the first place.

That's my whole ethos - if I feel they deserve a donation I'll give it. I just paid 30bucks for medieval 2 total war (i'd already been playing it for a week from a copy I downloaded), that's my contribution to rome2 or whatever the next one is called. I basically award the best bands, games devs and filmmakers every month or two with a donation. I aint gonna go bankrupt paying for everything I watch, play or listen to so that's how I do it. Like I already said- if you have a problem with this then have a nice problem - it aint mine.

Okay, how about if your boss decides to start paying you like that?

[B_M_W]

The basic argument for me remains as follows:


How is your favorite band going to make money if they can't sell their music?  I don't really give a rat's ass about the record company's "take", or the fact that each album only gives a few pennies to the artist.  Record companies decide if an artist will make more albums dependent on how much money they have made or lost on their last album.  An artist is in debt to the company until they "recoup" the money they spent on the album through sales of the album, not merchendise*.  If the comany feels that the band is a financial risk, they will not put up the money for a second album.

So, every song you steal from your favorite artist hampers them from making more of the music you love.  Especially considering that the artists you probably like are obscure and have tenuous deals in the first place.

That's my whole ethos - if I feel they deserve a donation I'll give it. I just paid 30bucks for medieval 2 total war (i'd already been playing it for a week from a copy I downloaded), that's my contribution to rome2 or whatever the next one is called. I basically award the best bands, games devs and filmmakers every month or two with a donation. I aint gonna go bankrupt paying for everything I watch, play or listen to so that's how I do it. Like I already said- if you have a problem with this then have a nice problem - it aint mine.

My favorite classical guitarist, Andrew York, is nowhere near the mainstream. As such, he doesn't make a whole lot of money, but enough to get by (hes also been in LA guitar quartet so that used to bring him money, but he retired from there to address his own personal projects from now on, and I applaud him for it). So, I always purchase his music, out of complete respect of his playing (not to mention thats really the only way to find it). Furthermore, I tell everyone I can about his music, and give people tracks in the hope they will go and purchase his music as well.

If its not worth listening to I don't listen to it, and therefore I don't buy it.

[P3nT4gR4m]

The basic argument for me remains as follows:


How is your favorite band going to make money if they can't sell their music?  I don't really give a rat's ass about the record company's "take", or the fact that each album only gives a few pennies to the artist.  Record companies decide if an artist will make more albums dependent on how much money they have made or lost on their last album.  An artist is in debt to the company until they "recoup" the money they spent on the album through sales of the album, not merchendise*.  If the comany feels that the band is a financial risk, they will not put up the money for a second album.

So, every song you steal from your favorite artist hampers them from making more of the music you love.  Especially considering that the artists you probably like are obscure and have tenuous deals in the first place.

That's my whole ethos - if I feel they deserve a donation I'll give it. I just paid 30bucks for medieval 2 total war (i'd already been playing it for a week from a copy I downloaded), that's my contribution to rome2 or whatever the next one is called. I basically award the best bands, games devs and filmmakers every month or two with a donation. I aint gonna go bankrupt paying for everything I watch, play or listen to so that's how I do it. Like I already said- if you have a problem with this then have a nice problem - it aint mine.

Okay, how about if your boss decides to start paying you like that?

He already does. I get my salary as long as I continue to make him money. I'm in IT so he makes money indirectly through my efforts but he's a reasonably smart guy so he makes the decision that I'm worth what I'm worth to him. If I stop doing cool stuff that makes his company more competitive in the marketplace then he'll pay me off. Would be stupid if it was any other way.

Difference is I didn't choose to be in a position where my employee value was dependent on impressing a large number of people, consistently. Music biz is high risk, most acts make next to nothing from it, only the chosen few get the lear jets, private ranches and pools full of groupies. The smart players sign up for a steady wage as session musicians or studio producers. But there's no fame there, no fortune. So fuck Metallica. I've seen the lifes those bitches lead, hell I contirbuted, buying every album up to and including load, saw them every time they played scotland. They wanna bitch and whine cos their earnings haven't risen enough for lars to spend another 2million on some piece of shit paint spattered canvas, I don't give a fuck.

[AFK]

Difference is I didn't choose to be in a position where my employee value was dependent on impressing a large number of people, consistently.

So do you not work for a company that has stockholders?  What about customers? 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

He already does. I get my salary as long as I continue to make him money.

What if he decides to "share" your work, and not bother paying you?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Difference is I didn't choose to be in a position where my employee value was dependent on impressing a large number of people, consistently.

And people who DO don't deserve to be paid.

Gotcha.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Difference is I didn't choose to be in a position where my employee value was dependent on impressing a large number of people, consistently.

And people who DO don't deserve to be paid.

Gotcha.

You win the argument, I keep my hard drive full of shit I never paid for. It's a win win situation.

also - people who DO take their chances. Before filesharing it was home taping that was killing music. I still see rock stars in lear jets.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Difference is I didn't choose to be in a position where my employee value was dependent on impressing a large number of people, consistently.

And people who DO don't deserve to be paid.

Gotcha.

You win the argument, I keep my hard drive full of shit I never paid for. It's a win win situation.

also - people who DO take their chances. Before filesharing it was home taping that was killing music. I still see rock stars in lear jets.

Are you suggesting that the scale of the Brady kids taping LPs approaches that of international file sharing?

[P3nT4gR4m]

Difference is I didn't choose to be in a position where my employee value was dependent on impressing a large number of people, consistently.

And people who DO don't deserve to be paid.

Gotcha.

You win the argument, I keep my hard drive full of shit I never paid for. It's a win win situation.

also - people who DO take their chances. Before filesharing it was home taping that was killing music. I still see rock stars in lear jets.

Are you suggesting that the scale of the Brady kids taping LPs approaches that of international file sharing?

I've no idea. I have met a lot of people who haven't fileshared music. I haven't met a lot of people who didn't tape records if they were alive during that period of history. I've even had a lift to my hotel suite for the night in a cop car which had a bunch of tape copies beneath the car stereo.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Difference is I didn't choose to be in a position where my employee value was dependent on impressing a large number of people, consistently.

And people who DO don't deserve to be paid.

Gotcha.

You win the argument, I keep my hard drive full of shit I never paid for. It's a win win situation.

also - people who DO take their chances. Before filesharing it was home taping that was killing music. I still see rock stars in lear jets.

Are you suggesting that the scale of the Brady kids taping LPs approaches that of international file sharing?

I've no idea. I have met a lot of people who haven't fileshared music. I haven't met a lot of people who didn't tape records if they were alive during that period of history. I've even had a lift to my hotel suite for the night in a cop car which had a bunch of tape copies beneath the car stereo.

And anecdotes are evidence, as we all know.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Okay so you can prove that filesharing is causing more musicians to starve than home taping used to?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Okay so you can prove that filesharing is causing more musicians to starve than home taping used to?

Okay. 

First point:  When you taped an album, were there 50,000 people in Hong Kong ripping a copy with you?

And who cares if they are starving?