ITT, We whine about how bad humanity is (especially white peoples), and rip off

[Jasper]

From my perspective, robots will inevitably have what you refer to as soul.  I plan to design these robots.  And did you know "robot" comes from a Czech word meaning slave?  I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want your entire race named an instantly derogatory word.  As a sympathizer to future synthetic intelligence, my first instinct is in fact to shout you down as a racist.

I won't though.  It just seems to me that you haven't acknowleged that your mind and body are just complex  biomachines whose functions are perfectly reproducible in manufactured constructs.  We've already started.

In sum, yes it would have enough 'soul'.  I'll see to that.

[LHX]

i wonder why people try so hard to make computers sound like not-computers


the computer is just another instrument that happens to be the most accessible instrument around


digital and analog are 2 different things and always will be

and good content will always be good content

[AFK]

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From my perspective, robots will inevitably have what you refer to as soul. I plan to design these robots. And did you know "robot" comes from a Czech word meaning slave? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want your entire race named an instantly derogatory word. As a sympathizer to future synthetic intelligence, my first instinct is in fact to shout you down as a racist.

I won't though. It just seems to me that you haven't acknowleged that your mind and body are just complex biomachines whose functions are perfectly reproducible in manufactured constructs. We've already started.

In sum, yes it would have enough 'soul'. I'll see to that.

Well, I will gladly and humbly acknowledge it if the day comes.  Until then, based on my experiences, I simply call bullshit.

[Jasper]

i wonder why people try so hard to make computers sound like not-computers

the computer is just another instrument that happens to be the most accessible instrument around

digital and analog are 2 different things and always will be

and good content will always be good content

Analog begat digital, and digital begat (whatever robots will run on).

Good content, I would say, needs refreshing to stay the best.

I dunno why people do that to themselves, man.

[LHX]

as a extension of man, it seems that robots and computers already have everything it takes to have 'soul'

its just a matter of time


just like sperm and egg

[Jasper]

Well, I will gladly and humbly acknowledge it if the day comes.  Until then, based on my experiences, I simply call bullshit.

Back it up, then.  You're the one betting against technology, time to show your cards.

[LMNO]

I also want to go on the record for a moment.

Although my past few posts have been to show that analog is exponetially more complex than digital, I am no stranger (nor an enemy of) the use of computers in music.

If you go to my music site (http://earfatigue.multiply.com), specifically http://earfatigue.multiply.com/music/item/98 , both of those songs are a mixture of electronic and acoustically generated music. 

I ain't no purist.  I'll use what technology I have to do the best to create the sounds in my head.  So don't go thinking I'm hatin' on synths.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I also want to go on the record for a moment.

Although my past few posts have been to show that analog is exponetially more complex than digital, I am no stranger (nor an enemy of) the use of computers in music.

If you go to my music site (http://earfatigue.multiply.com), specifically http://earfatigue.multiply.com/music/item/98 , both of those songs are a mixture of electronic and acoustically generated music. 

I ain't no purist.  I'll use what technology I have to do the best to create the sounds in my head.  So don't go thinking I'm hatin' on synths.

Second one is fucking beautiful 

[LHX]

I also want to go on the record for a moment.

Although my past few posts have been to show that analog is exponetially more complex than digital, I am no stranger (nor an enemy of) the use of computers in music.

If you go to my music site (http://earfatigue.multiply.com), specifically http://earfatigue.multiply.com/music/item/98 , both of those songs are a mixture of electronic and acoustically generated music. 

I ain't no purist.  I'll use what technology I have to do the best to create the sounds in my head.  So don't go thinking I'm hatin' on synths.

so basically, what youre saying here is that analog is better than digital, and you hate computers?

[LMNO]

I also want to go on the record for a moment.

Although my past few posts have been to show that analog is exponetially more complex than digital, I am no stranger (nor an enemy of) the use of computers in music.

If you go to my music site (http://earfatigue.multiply.com), specifically http://earfatigue.multiply.com/music/item/98 , both of those songs are a mixture of electronic and acoustically generated music. 

I ain't no purist.  I'll use what technology I have to do the best to create the sounds in my head.  So don't go thinking I'm hatin' on synths.

Second one is fucking beautiful 

Thanks.  The only analog things were the dry guitar (no 'verb, etc) and the voice (our very own Eldora).  Everything else was created on the computer.

so basically, what youre saying here is that analog is better than digital, and you hate computers?

Exactly.



Ass.

[LHX]

I also want to go on the record for a moment.

why would you go on the record? whats wrong wiff CD?

[LMNO]

I also want to go on the reel-to-reel tape for a moment.

why would you go on the record? whats wrong wiff CD?

Fixxored.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I also want to go on the record for a moment.

why would you go on the record? whats wrong wiff CD?

digital media - there's all sortsa little nuances you don't get on cd 

[LHX]

I also want to go on the reel-to-reel tape for a moment.

why would you go on the record? whats wrong wiff CD?

Fixxored.

cake=rofl

[Triple Zero]

um. i don't have much time to read the rest of the thread to here, but this is just plain quite wrong.

you are thinking of sampling (recording) existing drum-sounds.

well, apart from that that would cost similar studio costs to build a sample set for recording quality etc, it's mostly not how drum machines work.

samples are nice, but only if you want to go for that sampled hiphop sound

i was talking about electronic drums. these are pressure plates with sensors. and sticks to hit them with. basically they're virtual drum input devices.
so you hit the input device with a stick, the computer records where you hit it, how hard you hit it and puts that into the physical model of the intended drum-type to be simulated, calculates what the air vibrations would be that come out of it, and you have your drum sound. this technique actually works.

you would "tighten the lugs on the rim" before you start playing, by setting the parameters for the drum beforehand.
one advantage of this is that you could for example switch configurations mid-concert or just play around with them, knowing you can always reset to defaults, as opposed to real world instruments where you would horrible detune them, or perhaps even permanently damage your insturment.

(also your permutation calculations were wrong, but the numbers would be very large, for sampled drums indeed)

Take 1 drum.


We'll make it easy.  A floor tom.  Wooden cylinder, 2 heads.

Each head has 8 lugs on the rim, and can be tightened anywhere between 1 and 16 revolutions.  Just for the sake of actual numbers, we will say that for this experiment, there are no subsets of revolutions*.

So, for each lug, you have 16 options.  If I recall, that means for one head, the possible combination of tunings are (8 x 16!), which means (8 x 20922789888000) = 167382319104000 combinations.  

However, since there are two heads, when one strikes a drum, the they react to each other through sympathetic resonance. ¬†I believe that means the possible combinations are now (8 x 16!)² = 28016840748633283362816000000 combinations.

Now it gets interesting. ¬†Where on the head you strike a drum affects how the drum responds. ¬†Let us assume that we're playing a 16" head, and (again, for number's sake) let's say one can only strike in 1" differences, and rim shots don't count. ¬†The number of places to strike is (pi 8²) = 200.96 different places to strike the drum, which now brings the total number of possible sounds from one floor tom to 5630264316845344624591503360000 possible combinations. ¬†The current top-end electronic drum pad contains between 16 - 128 different sounds (most of which are merely velocity settings).


Now, seeing how each one of these combinations will yeild a different set of wavelengths, which will reflect and refract in the given acoustic space, and considering one usually plays an entire drum set, rather than just one drum, I find it quite amusing that y'all think an electronic drum kit or a computer simulation will be able to mimic a real drum in real space.




*else, we could just say that the amount of combinations are infinite.