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January 04, 2007, 08:20:59 AM Last Edit: January 29, 2008, 03:39:29 AM by The Good Reverend Roger
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" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Hangero

#1
January 04, 2007, 09:36:35 AM
Nah, fuck those guys, seriously.

If you're bored, you're boring.  It's retarded to measure the spirit of rebellion or unrest in a country based on the status of its celebrities, whether they are the man in black or the whores in nothing.  I fail to see how Elvis and James Brown aren't souless celebrities.

Maybe a little less souless than others, but still for the most part, amphetmined up husks of once original people.

The world is homogenized, but really, less so than it was when Cash started doing his thing, or when Elvis started stealing black folk's music. 

Either way, Dylan isn't dead.
I won't start counting down days to The End until that happens.


Besides, did Johnny Cash ever hop off the stage, and start fucking random fans in the mouth, WHILE CONTINUING TO SING?  No.  Manson does that like, all the time.  Also, I remember that awesome fella who squirted a syringe of blood in the fact of some interviewer and had to go to jail or some shit for it.

That guy has HIS finger on the pulse of Amer.....
Well, is it still a pulse if blood doesn't pump through it anymore? 

BADGE OF HONOR

#2
January 04, 2007, 09:38:01 AM
Fuck Dylan.
The Jerk On Bike rolled his eyes and tossed the waffle back over his shoulder--before it struck the ground, a stout, disconcertingly monkey-like dog sprang into the air and snatched it, and began to masticate it--literally--for the sound it made was like a homonculus squatting on the floor muttering "masticate masticate masticate".

P3nT4gR4m

#3
January 04, 2007, 09:48:22 AM
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As it should be. People who obey the laws deserve to be bored and miserable.


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The Good Reverend Roger

#4
January 04, 2007, 09:49:13 AM
Quote from: Hangero on January 04, 2007, 09:36:35 AM
Nah, fuck those guys, seriously.

If you're bored, you're boring.  It's retarded to measure the spirit of rebellion or unrest in a country based on the status of its celebrities, whether they are the man in black or the whores in nothing.  I fail to see how Elvis and James Brown aren't souless celebrities.
 

Let me get this straight...are you saying that celebrity causes soul-lessness?

I disagree...it is the fact that the public has become so soul-less that we have so many soul-less celebrities.  

James Brown and Johnny Cash would have oozed cool under ANY circumstances.  Stick them in a cube with a workstation, and they still would have rocked.  And then they'd burn the office down.

If you missed Cash flipping off the opry (and then trashing the stage), and understood the context of it, you wouldn't be stacking him up against Marilyn fucking Manson, who does stupid shit as an ACT, instead of a barfing of hatred and rage against the people who dumped him when he was down, and then wanted him back when he got back up.

There is no comparison.  No comparison at all.  One was vengeful hatred, and the other is a cynical act.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#5
January 04, 2007, 09:49:38 AM
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on January 04, 2007, 09:38:01 AM
Fuck Dylan.

Well, he has some serious hate.  I can appreciate that.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

BADGE OF HONOR

#6
January 04, 2007, 09:51:42 AM
He also thinks he can sing.  Dylan's music is only good when remade by people with actual ability.
The Jerk On Bike rolled his eyes and tossed the waffle back over his shoulder--before it struck the ground, a stout, disconcertingly monkey-like dog sprang into the air and snatched it, and began to masticate it--literally--for the sound it made was like a homonculus squatting on the floor muttering "masticate masticate masticate".

The Good Reverend Roger

#7
January 04, 2007, 09:55:26 AM
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on January 04, 2007, 09:51:42 AM
He also thinks he can sing.  Dylan's music is only good when remade by people with actual ability.

He's a folk singer.  They're not allowed to have good voices.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

BADGE OF HONOR

#8
January 04, 2007, 09:59:32 AM
Yeah but they're also not supposed to use electric guitars. 
The Jerk On Bike rolled his eyes and tossed the waffle back over his shoulder--before it struck the ground, a stout, disconcertingly monkey-like dog sprang into the air and snatched it, and began to masticate it--literally--for the sound it made was like a homonculus squatting on the floor muttering "masticate masticate masticate".

The Good Reverend Roger

#9
January 04, 2007, 10:02:41 AM
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on January 04, 2007, 09:59:32 AM
Yeah but they're also not supposed to use electric guitars. 

Hush, you.  The execs said people wanted electric, so you'll TAKE electric, and LIKE it.

Quit fucking with the focus groups.  Just who the HELL do you think you are?

Next you'll be fucking with The Boss.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Hangero

#10
January 04, 2007, 10:09:12 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 04, 2007, 09:49:13 AM
Quote from: Hangero on January 04, 2007, 09:36:35 AM
Nah, fuck those guys, seriously.

If you're bored, you're boring.  It's retarded to measure the spirit of rebellion or unrest in a country based on the status of its celebrities, whether they are the man in black or the whores in nothing.  I fail to see how Elvis and James Brown aren't souless celebrities.
 

Let me get this straight...are you saying that celebrity causes soul-lessness?

I disagree...it is the fact that the public has become so soul-less that we have so many soul-less celebrities. 

James Brown and Johnny Cash would have oozed cool under ANY circumstances.  Stick them in a cube with a workstation, and they still would have rocked.  And then they'd burn the office down.

If you missed Cash flipping off the opry (and then trashing the stage), and understood the context of it, you wouldn't be stacking him up against Marilyn fucking Manson, who does stupid shit as an ACT, instead of a barfing of hatred and rage against the people who dumped him when he was down, and then wanted him back when he got back up.

There is no comparison.  No comparison at all.  One was vengeful hatred, and the other is a cynical act.

I don't know their motivations, but you can only do something original like that once or until they catch on, and then it's dead or illegal.  People have to work with what they've got.

I do know that Johnny Cash, Elvis, Dylan, and James Brown made a lot of money for people buying into their oozing coolness, and that they didn't seem conscience of that fact, or of the fact that they were heralding in the age of even more souless music and stardom.

Maybe they were the real deal though, but most likely it's like Saturday Night Live.
Every generation thinks that the SNL which was around 5-10 years before they started watching SNL, was the best set of seasons ever. 

Every generation thinks they saw at least a few original people at some point, even if they missed them by a few decades.

But if we could have bitched back then, oh how we would have bitched.  I would probably be argueing with you for talking about how the staunch suburbanism of the 1950s was infecting Woody Guthrie with Huntingtons Chorea, and that emerging consumerism was poisoning Robert Johnson's whisky at the crossroads.

I'm just going to refrain from assigning any level of importance to people who get paid to entertain.
Because even if they aren't "celebrities" or possess any of those terrible connotations that the word implies, their main goal is to entertain.

Whether or not they're sincere doesn't mean shit in the long run, it only applies to how much most people see of them.

The Good Reverend Roger

#11
January 04, 2007, 10:12:42 AM
Quote from: Hangero on January 04, 2007, 10:09:12 AM
I don't know their motivations, but you can only do something original like that once or until they catch on, and then it's dead or illegal.  People have to work with what they've got.

I do know that Johnny Cash, Elvis, Dylan, and James Brown made a lot of money for people buying into their oozing coolness,

1.  Or they can try to find something original to do, themselves.

2.  What the hell is wrong with that?  You expect them to starve in a garrett?  Is success automatically equal to selling out?  It sure as hell wasn't for Brown or Cash...and when Elvis DID sell out, it was in such a grotesque, obscene way that he actually got cooler.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

BADGE OF HONOR

#12
January 04, 2007, 10:15:44 AM
That reminds me, I still need to watch Bubba Ho-Tep.

I have nothing real to contribute because I agree with both of you.
The Jerk On Bike rolled his eyes and tossed the waffle back over his shoulder--before it struck the ground, a stout, disconcertingly monkey-like dog sprang into the air and snatched it, and began to masticate it--literally--for the sound it made was like a homonculus squatting on the floor muttering "masticate masticate masticate".

Hangero

#13
January 04, 2007, 10:19:50 AM
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on January 04, 2007, 09:38:01 AM
Fuck Dylan.

And on to address this blasphemy.

I guess I just like my intelligent song writing to be delivered from the mouth of the person who wrote it, instead of a soon-to-be-washed-up cover band that can't manage to write their own hits, but sound pretty so people support them.

Dylan's voice lent itself better to focusing on the lyrics and what was being said instead of getting people hung up on how it was being sung.  You can spew bullshit when it sounds pretty, but when it sounds ugly, it better be pretty fucking impressive.  The same goes for the simple traditional chord progressions and whatnot.

As for him going electric, I never saw the big deal.  Dylan wasn't a folk singer exclusively, ever.  Blues musicians had been playing electric for years before the Newport Folk Festival, and no one got pissed at them.

Shit, Dylan got played on by an electric set before he took the stage at Newport. 
Either way, he never once assigned himself the label "Folk singer" or "Folk rock singer" or anything like that.

He was awesome incarnate, which I know contradicts my last post, but I make this one exception, because I like him more like I enjoy Blake or Eliot, rather than as an entertainer.

BADGE OF HONOR

#14
January 04, 2007, 10:24:17 AM
Quote from: Hangero on January 04, 2007, 10:19:50 AM
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on January 04, 2007, 09:38:01 AM
Fuck Dylan.

And on to address this blasphemy.

I guess I just like my intelligent song writing to be delivered from the mouth of the person who wrote it, instead of a soon-to-be-washed-up cover band that can't manage to write their own hits, but sound pretty so people support them.

Dylan's voice lent itself better to focusing on the lyrics and what was being said instead of getting people hung up on how it was being sung.  You can spew bullshit when it sounds pretty, but when it sounds ugly, it better be pretty fucking impressive.  The same goes for the simple traditional chord progressions and whatnot.

As for him going electric, I never saw the big deal.  Dylan wasn't a folk singer exclusively, ever.  Blues musicians had been playing electric for years before the Newport Folk Festival, and no one got pissed at them.

Shit, Dylan got played on by an electric set before he took the stage at Newport. 
Either way, he never once assigned himself the label "Folk singer" or "Folk rock singer" or anything like that.

He was awesome incarnate, which I know contradicts my last post, but I make this one exception, because I like him more like I enjoy Blake or Eliot, rather than as an entertainer.

Personally, I prefer well-constructed music over lyrics no matter how eloquent.  If I want poetry I can read it.
The Jerk On Bike rolled his eyes and tossed the waffle back over his shoulder--before it struck the ground, a stout, disconcertingly monkey-like dog sprang into the air and snatched it, and began to masticate it--literally--for the sound it made was like a homonculus squatting on the floor muttering "masticate masticate masticate".
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