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Started by The Good Reverend Roger, January 04, 2007, 08:20:59 AM

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LMNO

#45
January 04, 2007, 07:05:34 PM
Quote from: Hangero on January 04, 2007, 06:51:14 PM
I say nothing is original not out of post-modern spitefulness or close-mindedness, but out of the fact that everyone has been influenced by certain things, and everyone steals from somewhere.

And I'm not saying they shouldn't have taken their money, I'm saying they got used and they didn't ever do anything about THAT.  Maybe it's expecting too much, but I would have to expect it before assigning them super human levels of coolness.


Your ideal of "originality" is set pretty high.

I'd say that any combination of two (or more) things previously not combined should be considered "original"

Like Afrika Bambaata, combining Hip Hop and Kraftwerk.  Or the Clash, adding Punk to Reggae.

AFK

#46
January 04, 2007, 07:06:04 PM
Quote from: Hangero on January 04, 2007, 06:51:14 PM
I say nothing is original not out of post-modern spitefulness or close-mindedness, but out of the fact that everyone has been influenced by certain things, and everyone steals from somewhere.

And I'm not saying they shouldn't have taken their money, I'm saying they got used and they didn't ever do anything about THAT.  Maybe it's expecting too much, but I would have to expect it before assigning them super human levels of coolness.

being influenced and stealing are two very different concepts.

Vanilla Ice stole from Queen
Metallica was influenced by Queen
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

BADGE OF HONOR

#47
January 05, 2007, 12:54:31 AM
The Jerk On Bike rolled his eyes and tossed the waffle back over his shoulder--before it struck the ground, a stout, disconcertingly monkey-like dog sprang into the air and snatched it, and began to masticate it--literally--for the sound it made was like a homonculus squatting on the floor muttering "masticate masticate masticate".

BADGE OF HONOR

#48
January 05, 2007, 12:58:13 AM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 04, 2007, 07:06:04 PM
being influenced and stealing are two very different concepts.

Vanilla Ice stole from Queen
Metallica was influenced by Queen

It's like how everyone loves to hate Oasis because they "ripped off the Beatles".  So?  I'd rather hate them because they're utter douchebags, not because they sound like the band that basically founded rock music.  (Actually I don't hate them at all, the three songs I've heard aren't so bad.) 



...I forgot where I was going with this so I'll just post what I have.
The Jerk On Bike rolled his eyes and tossed the waffle back over his shoulder--before it struck the ground, a stout, disconcertingly monkey-like dog sprang into the air and snatched it, and began to masticate it--literally--for the sound it made was like a homonculus squatting on the floor muttering "masticate masticate masticate".

Z³

#49
January 05, 2007, 01:34:23 AM
Townes Van Sandt > The Beatles

Jenne

#50
January 05, 2007, 02:12:56 AM
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on January 05, 2007, 12:58:13 AM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 04, 2007, 07:06:04 PM
being influenced and stealing are two very different concepts.

Vanilla Ice stole from Queen
Metallica was influenced by Queen

It's like how everyone loves to hate Oasis because they "ripped off the Beatles". So? I'd rather hate them because they're utter douchebags, not because they sound like the band that basically founded rock music. (Actually I don't hate them at all, the three songs I've heard aren't so bad.)



...I forgot where I was going with this so I'll just post what I have.

That's actually a good point, Badger...if only because just because someone borrows/steals from another musician doesn't mean they don't make it BETTER.

The Good Reverend Roger

#51
January 05, 2007, 04:18:23 AM
This fread wasn't really about music.

Carry on.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Jenne

#52
January 05, 2007, 05:55:12 AM
Well, stagnation of culture.  Stealing other peoples' music is part of that.

*shrug*

I think, in a way, it's a pretty cool thing to be able to reinvent the old into something new for the tastes of future generations...or at least present generations.

But it really shouldn't be done to the point of watering down what is already known as great, tried and true.

BADGE OF HONOR

#53
January 05, 2007, 06:18:17 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2007, 04:18:23 AM
This fread wasn't really about music.

Carry on.

What's wrong with taking a metaphor and running with it, huh?
The Jerk On Bike rolled his eyes and tossed the waffle back over his shoulder--before it struck the ground, a stout, disconcertingly monkey-like dog sprang into the air and snatched it, and began to masticate it--literally--for the sound it made was like a homonculus squatting on the floor muttering "masticate masticate masticate".

Cain

#54
January 05, 2007, 12:46:43 PM
Music is a good place to note the problems though.  I know more or less about the USA (thankyou international comglomerates for attempted destruction of the UK music scene) but its way to similar in the UK.  Hell, you look at some of the people from here in the past who not only knew how to be themselves but also how to have a damn good time.  Then you look at the modern day examples they are constantly used as comparisons for....like my favourite example, Pete Doherty.  A jumped up, thuggish little smack addict who is considered the darling of the music scene because he can do big puppy eyes before some "daring" act of rebellion, like injecting a sleeping girl with heroin.

There's no real backbone anymore.  No-one who actually wants any sort of exposure can afford to be much different from before and their fake acts of u83r k3wl r3be11ion just show them to be jumped up tosspots with all the self control of a three year old.  Spoiled little brats whose ideas of attention grabbing got old 30 years ago.

LMNO

#55
January 05, 2007, 12:58:45 PM
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on January 05, 2007, 12:54:31 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 04, 2007, 06:33:42 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 04, 2007, 06:10:26 PM
www.dita.net/

That's pretty fucking respectable.

I'd be gay for her.


Apropos of nothing at all, but I'd like to see that.



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BADGE OF HONOR

#56
January 05, 2007, 01:00:40 PM
Aren't you married?




Tsk.
The Jerk On Bike rolled his eyes and tossed the waffle back over his shoulder--before it struck the ground, a stout, disconcertingly monkey-like dog sprang into the air and snatched it, and began to masticate it--literally--for the sound it made was like a homonculus squatting on the floor muttering "masticate masticate masticate".

LMNO

#57
January 05, 2007, 01:03:26 PM
Seeing =/= participating.

BADGE OF HONOR

#58
January 05, 2007, 01:07:39 PM
You are impure just for imagining it!!!!!!!    :x
The Jerk On Bike rolled his eyes and tossed the waffle back over his shoulder--before it struck the ground, a stout, disconcertingly monkey-like dog sprang into the air and snatched it, and began to masticate it--literally--for the sound it made was like a homonculus squatting on the floor muttering "masticate masticate masticate".

LMNO

#59
January 05, 2007, 01:19:49 PM
::checks to see if baby jesus is crying::
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