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Started by Satans_Santa, January 20, 2007, 10:01:06 PM

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Satans_Santa

January 20, 2007, 10:01:06 PM
Be all you can be, fufill your dreams, get that education you so rightly deserve!
Why?
So you can be "good."
Meaning: you are adjusted to society.
That implies that adjusting to society is good, and leeching off those taxpayers no matter what is "bad."
How many of our thoughts come from implicit messages about the way of the world?
Do we accept this as doctrine or deny it completely and regard ourselves as "enlightened?"
They say that original thought is impossible... was that an original thought?
Last random question: if Orwell were alive today, would he be collecting royalties left and right?

Messier Undertree

#1
January 21, 2007, 04:48:28 PM
I like questionnaires... I also like those little myspace surveys.

They make my life worth living

Quote from: Satans_Santa on January 20, 2007, 10:01:06 PM
Be all you can be, fufill your dreams, get that education you so rightly deserve!
Why?
So you can be "good."

No... so that I can take society for whatever I can get

No education = Shit job = No money = Fail

Quote from: Satans_Santa on January 20, 2007, 10:01:06 PM
Meaning: you are adjusted to society.
That implies that adjusting to society is good, and leeching off those taxpayers no matter what is "bad."

You want to live outside of society?

Well, I can spare you some change if I see you in the street

Quote from: Satans_Santa on January 20, 2007, 10:01:06 PM
How many of our thoughts come from implicit messages about the way of the world?

All of them


Quote from: Satans_Santa on January 20, 2007, 10:01:06 PM
Do we accept this as doctrine or deny it completely and regard ourselves as "enlightened?"

"Englightenment" is a myth

I just live for the lulz

Quote from: Satans_Santa on January 20, 2007, 10:01:06 PM
They say that original thought is impossible... was that an original thought?

No... it was a collection of memes or something...

Quote from: Satans_Santa on January 20, 2007, 10:01:06 PM
Last random question: if Orwell were alive today, would he be collecting royalties left and right?

Last time I checked, Nineteen-Eighty-Four was still on sale

Cain

#2
January 21, 2007, 04:56:05 PM
He's got a point however.  Anyone who thinks society in general sums up what is good and  right in the 21st century is clearly insane.  Its just one of the many basic assumptions too many people make in forming their worldview.

A word of warning about Orwell, however.  He was an apologist for the British Empire and the white man's burden and probably converted to Socialism because of the chance it allowed him to bash Catholics, a very British pasttime.  Not that it effects his most powerful works, but its an underlying point one should be aware of when dealing with him.

Messier Undertree

#3
January 21, 2007, 05:46:42 PM
He does have a point.

I'm not saying that modern society is "good" or "right" however.

I just think that it's in my best interests to live within society rather than pointlessly isolate myself from it.

Cain

#4
January 21, 2007, 05:57:50 PM
Oh yes, thats true as well.  Take what you can, but never allow society to form your values and beliefs.

Jasper

#5
January 22, 2007, 04:46:51 AM
Unless it suits you, which would indicate that society has already monopolized your preferences.

The Good Reverend Roger

#6
January 22, 2007, 05:05:11 AM
Quote from: Cain on January 21, 2007, 04:56:05 PM
He's got a point however.  Anyone who thinks society in general sums up what is good and  right in the 21st century is clearly insane.  Its just one of the many basic assumptions too many people make in forming their worldview.

A word of warning about Orwell, however.  He was an apologist for the British Empire and the white man's burden and probably converted to Socialism because of the chance it allowed him to bash Catholics, a very British pasttime.  Not that it effects his most powerful works, but its an underlying point one should be aware of when dealing with him.

There's nothing good in the 21st century.  It's ALL RUBBISH!
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cain

#7
January 22, 2007, 05:06:23 AM
I disagree.

iPods are pretty good.

The Good Reverend Roger

#8
January 22, 2007, 05:07:52 AM
Quote from: Cain on January 22, 2007, 05:06:23 AM
I disagree.

iPods are pretty good.

UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cain

#9
January 22, 2007, 05:12:47 AM
Alright, alright.  I'm sure I can think of something good about the 21st century.  Like the amount of people who are getting tired of this shit seem to be increasing.  And global communications puts them all in touch....but apart from that, its looking like a re-run of the 17th century, with nukes.

The Good Reverend Roger

#10
January 22, 2007, 05:15:54 AM
Quote from: Cain on January 22, 2007, 05:12:47 AM
Alright, alright.  I'm sure I can think of something good about the 21st century.  Like the amount of people who are getting tired of this shit seem to be increasing.  And global communications puts them all in touch....but apart from that, its looking like a re-run of the 17th century, with nukes.

Well, okay.  ONE good thing.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cain

#11
January 22, 2007, 05:16:46 AM
 :lol:

Jasper

#12
January 22, 2007, 05:17:45 AM
I can think of something likable about nowadays.

Toilets.  Windex.  TP.  Cheap paper and pens.  Coffee for all.  Education.  Global instant communication.  Discordia and the CotSG.  Raised racial and sexual equality, not perfect yet but closer.  Clean water.  

It's sort of depressing to see you smart folks thinking you don't lead blessed existences.  Let's have some perspective, here.

Thurnez Isa

#13
January 22, 2007, 05:18:35 AM
thats all the 20th century
Through me the way to the city of woe, Through me the way to everlasting pain, Through me the way among the lost.
Justice moved my maker on high.
Divine power made me, Wisdom supreme, and Primal love.
Before me nothing was but things eternal, and eternal I endure.
Abandon all hope, you who enter here.
Dante

Cain

#14
January 22, 2007, 05:18:50 AM
All those things are the product of the 20th, 19th or 18th century.
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