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[Doktor Howl]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/21/19063292-mixed-reactions-to-exodus-group-leaving-gay-therapy?lite

Those Exodus guys deserve to burn in their own Hell.

Well, this Chambers guy seems to have had a change of heart.  Pissed off all the other "straight therapy" assholes in the process.

[Salty]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/21/19063292-mixed-reactions-to-exodus-group-leaving-gay-therapy?lite

Those Exodus guys deserve to burn in their own Hell.

Well, this Chambers guy seems to have had a change of heart.  Pissed off all the other "straight therapy" assholes in the process.

I guess it goes back to that redemption thing.

Personally, I don't care how sorry they are, he is. They can rot.

[Doktor Howl]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/21/19063292-mixed-reactions-to-exodus-group-leaving-gay-therapy?lite

Woah. I did not see that coming.

Somewhat related

http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2437863

Looks like some folks can see which way the wind is blowing...finally.

Also, what CPD said.

I agree with Murkowski's take on things completely.

Gay marriage should be legal in all states, but no church should be forced to participate.

[Doktor Howl]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/21/19063292-mixed-reactions-to-exodus-group-leaving-gay-therapy?lite

Those Exodus guys deserve to burn in their own Hell.

Well, this Chambers guy seems to have had a change of heart.  Pissed off all the other "straight therapy" assholes in the process.

I guess it goes back to that redemption thing.

Personally, I don't care how sorry they are, he is. They can rot.

Well, if there's no redemption, then there's that much less incentive for your opponents to change sides or just leave the field.

[Salty]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/21/19063292-mixed-reactions-to-exodus-group-leaving-gay-therapy?lite

Woah. I did not see that coming.

Somewhat related

http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2437863

Looks like some folks can see which way the wind is blowing...finally.

Also, what CPD said.

I agree with Murkowski's take on things completely.

Gay marriage should be legal in all states, but no church should be forced to participate.

Oh yes, and I'm glad she did it. Now if she could influence things in such a way that gay people can't get fired or denied housing because of their sexuality here in town, maybe they'll have time to get married.

[Salty]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/21/19063292-mixed-reactions-to-exodus-group-leaving-gay-therapy?lite

Those Exodus guys deserve to burn in their own Hell.

Well, this Chambers guy seems to have had a change of heart.  Pissed off all the other "straight therapy" assholes in the process.

I guess it goes back to that redemption thing.

Personally, I don't care how sorry they are, he is. They can rot.

Well, if there's no redemption, then there's that much less incentive for your opponents to change sides or just leave the field.

After that thread I have thought about this topic a lot.
But it is incredibly hard for me to have anything but malice toward organizations that have contributed to brainwashing queer kids. And their suicides.

I see what you mean, but it's difficult for me to put into practice.

[Pergamos]

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/20/19062348-some-disabled-workers-paid-just-pennies-an-hour-and-its-legal?lite

This is a tricky one.  Without an incentive companies will not choose to hire disabled workers.  That doesn't mean they should be allowed to pay them as little as they are paying.

[Cain]

Here's an incentive - if you're found to be discriminating against disabled workers where their disability will not affect the job role, your company will be fined and will be put on a register of discriminatory employers, which will involve periodic checks and further fines for non-compliance.

Well, it's actually a disincentive, but classical economics does not actually distinguish between the two.

[Doktor Howl]

This is a tricky one.  Without an incentive companies will not choose to hire disabled workers. 

I keep hearing about "incentives to hire".  Been hearing it since 1980.  I see the incentives, but I don't see the hiring.

What I see is chintzy excuses for wage slavery and peonage.

[Doktor Howl]

Here's an incentive - if you're found to be discriminating against disabled workers where their disability will not affect the job role, your company will be fined and will be put on a register of discriminatory employers, which will involve periodic checks and further fines for non-compliance.

Well, it's actually a disincentive, but classical economics does not actually distinguish between the two.

This.  Fine 'em to death, pour encourager les autres.

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/21/19063292-mixed-reactions-to-exodus-group-leaving-gay-therapy?lite

Those Exodus guys deserve to burn in their own Hell.

Well, this Chambers guy seems to have had a change of heart.  Pissed off all the other "straight therapy" assholes in the process.

Yeah. That's a good thing. He's got a long way to go, though, if he's going to try and undo the damage he did.

[Pergamos]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/21/19063292-mixed-reactions-to-exodus-group-leaving-gay-therapy?lite

Those Exodus guys deserve to burn in their own Hell.

Well, this Chambers guy seems to have had a change of heart.  Pissed off all the other "straight therapy" assholes in the process.

Yeah. That's a good thing. He's got a long way to go, though, if he's going to try and undo the damage he did.

I don't think he can undo the damage.  That he has made it harder for others to do damage is good though, and he himself is actually one of the damaged, he tried to pray the gay away and failed, there is undoubtedly someone else who convinced him that would work.

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/21/19063292-mixed-reactions-to-exodus-group-leaving-gay-therapy?lite

Those Exodus guys deserve to burn in their own Hell.

Well, this Chambers guy seems to have had a change of heart.  Pissed off all the other "straight therapy" assholes in the process.

Yeah. That's a good thing. He's got a long way to go, though, if he's going to try and undo the damage he did.

I don't think he can undo the damage.  That he has made it harder for others to do damage is good though, and he himself is actually one of the damaged, he tried to pray the gay away and failed, there is undoubtedly someone else who convinced him that would work.

I don't think he can either. But he's welcome to give it a go.

[Telarus]

Hershey Canada fined $4M for chocolate price fixing
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2013/06/21/business-hershey-price-fixing.html

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

Hershey Canada fined $4M for chocolate price fixing
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2013/06/21/business-hershey-price-fixing.html

This makes me sad.