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[Doktor Howl]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/21/19063292-mixed-reactions-to-exodus-group-leaving-gay-therapy?lite

Those Exodus guys deserve to burn in their own Hell.

Well, this Chambers guy seems to have had a change of heart.  Pissed off all the other "straight therapy" assholes in the process.

Yeah. That's a good thing. He's got a long way to go, though, if he's going to try and undo the damage he did.

I don't think he can undo the damage.  That he has made it harder for others to do damage is good though, and he himself is actually one of the damaged, he tried to pray the gay away and failed, there is undoubtedly someone else who convinced him that would work.

Right, then.  Any volunteers to haul him behind the chemical sheds and put a bullet in his neck?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/dow-slumps-over-2-percent-worst-trading-day-year-6C10390725

All I want is to finish my education, goddammit. Is that so much to ask, America?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/21/19063292-mixed-reactions-to-exodus-group-leaving-gay-therapy?lite

Those Exodus guys deserve to burn in their own Hell.

Well, this Chambers guy seems to have had a change of heart.  Pissed off all the other "straight therapy" assholes in the process.

What they're doing is potentially game-changing, because it means that a lot of people who have been anti-gay may reconsider. When they see their leaders change their values, people often follow suit.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/21/19063292-mixed-reactions-to-exodus-group-leaving-gay-therapy?lite

Those Exodus guys deserve to burn in their own Hell.

Well, this Chambers guy seems to have had a change of heart.  Pissed off all the other "straight therapy" assholes in the process.

I guess it goes back to that redemption thing.

Personally, I don't care how sorry they are, he is. They can rot.

Well, if there's no redemption, then there's that much less incentive for your opponents to change sides or just leave the field.

Meh, there will always be people who will hate someone and all their descendants forever because of things their predecessors did. Fortunately, I don't think change is motivated as much by external forgiveness... although Chambers issued an apology, I don't think the apology was motivated by an expectation of forgiveness... as by an internal desire to right wrongs.

[Junkenstein]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/21/19063292-mixed-reactions-to-exodus-group-leaving-gay-therapy?lite

Those Exodus guys deserve to burn in their own Hell.

Well, this Chambers guy seems to have had a change of heart.  Pissed off all the other "straight therapy" assholes in the process.

What they're doing is potentially game-changing, because it means that a lot of people who have been anti-gay may reconsider. When they see their leaders change their values, people often follow suit.

Don't forget the first follower aspect too. Movement with a leader increases massively as soon as you add even a single follower to the platform, no matter how secondary.

Every fucking bandwagon started not because of crazy guy shouting about something, it was the fuckwit who shouted "He's Right!" who needs a kicking just as much.

Somewhat unrelated, I have no idea why I'm awake at this hour.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/21/19063292-mixed-reactions-to-exodus-group-leaving-gay-therapy?lite

Those Exodus guys deserve to burn in their own Hell.

Well, this Chambers guy seems to have had a change of heart.  Pissed off all the other "straight therapy" assholes in the process.

I guess it goes back to that redemption thing.

Personally, I don't care how sorry they are, he is. They can rot.

Well, if there's no redemption, then there's that much less incentive for your opponents to change sides or just leave the field.

After that thread I have thought about this topic a lot.
But it is incredibly hard for me to have anything but malice toward organizations that have contributed to brainwashing queer kids. And their suicides.

I see what you mean, but it's difficult for me to put into practice.

So do you think that rather than changing his organization's policy and issuing a public apology, it would have made no difference had he left the policy intact and not apologized?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Actually kinda wondering if the "he should rot in hell" contingent even actually read the article...

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

Actually kinda wondering if the "he should rot in hell" contingent even actually read the article...

Yeah. I did. It was a moment of bitter, salty angst on my part. I'm okay with having that moment. Do I think he did a good thing? Yeah. Do I hope he keeps on in this direction for making good things? Yeah? Does it make things all better now? No and it doesn't have to. But I'm allowed to be affected by all the harm he did.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

FIRED. HAR HAR
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/19/paula-deen-racist-comments-n-word-caught-on-video_n_3467287.html

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

FIRED. HAR HAR
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/19/paula-deen-racist-comments-n-word-caught-on-video_n_3467287.html

Paula Deen is blowin' it up, controversy wise. Someone sent me a link to her apology earlier and I was like "Yeeeeeah, having black waiters dress up like slaves at a wedding on a plantation was one of those thoughts you probably shouldn't have shared."

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Actually kinda wondering if the "he should rot in hell" contingent even actually read the article...

Yeah. I did. It was a moment of bitter, salty angst on my part. I'm okay with having that moment. Do I think he did a good thing? Yeah. Do I hope he keeps on in this direction for making good things? Yeah? Does it make things all better now? No and it doesn't have to. But I'm allowed to be affected by all the harm he did.

So that means that you read that the organization was founded in 1976, which means that he couldn't have founded it, and that the article stated that over the last year he's caused a lot of controversy for challenging their policies? And you just keep referring to the organization as "him" because, as the most recent president of the board of directors, he is symbolically responsible for all the organization's past sins and should rot in hell on behalf of all his predecessors?

Or...?

I'm just confused by why several people seem to be holding the guy responsible for the positive change personally morally responsible for all the things the organization did before he assumed control of it. Makes me kind of think you might be accidentally falling into scapegoating mode.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I'm really just asking for a little fucking critical thinking here. Based solely on the information in that very brief article, what I deduced is that Chambers assumed control of a profoundly destructive organization and ultimately not only issued an official apology to the community it's been hurting for decades, but also actually SHUT IT DOWN COMPLETELY.

So, yeah, he is clearly an asshole who should rot in hell.

FFS.

[Salty]

Yeah, I got carried away when I read Exodus.

Sorry about that, folks.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Yeah, I got carried away when I read Exodus.

Sorry about that, folks.

No worries

thanks for being a biped about it! :flowers:

[Salty]

No where to, baby, nowhere to hide:

http://www.seattlepi.com/national/article/Why-NASA-s-latest-photo-of-Alaska-is-freaking-4612565.php

This is actually sort of an important thing for these asshole humans to understand. There is no escape. Sell all your shit, live by the speed of your feet, arms, and heart, eschew all of the worlds sins. Eat nothing but what you can catch or grow. Live 100's of miles from another filthy human being.

You're still gonna fry.

THEY are still gonna get ya.