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[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The worst part of that for me is that "PUAHate" isn't a bunch of people who hate PUAs because of their slimy, creepy, rape-y, objectifying ways, they hate PUAs because they feel "ripped off" the PUA techniques couldn't get them the sex they DESERVED.

I can't wait until PUAs and MRAs are classified as "hate groups".

[Junkenstein]

Pretty sure P3nt's familiar with the Onion.

This is a bag of creepy shit, somewhat related. Turns out the shooter was part of a "PUAhate" forum, trolled bodybuilders and much, much more.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:9jm67Lf42GUJ:puahate.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D139474+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=firefox-a

Warning - Nothing specific, its all fucking awful.

There's a whole conversation on this elsewhere on the forum.

Shit, missed that. Link?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Pretty sure P3nt's familiar with the Onion.

This is a bag of creepy shit, somewhat related. Turns out the shooter was part of a "PUAhate" forum, trolled bodybuilders and much, much more.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:9jm67Lf42GUJ:puahate.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D139474+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=firefox-a

Warning - Nothing specific, its all fucking awful.

There's a whole conversation on this elsewhere on the forum.

Shit, missed that. Link?

Might be buried in Open Bar. The weird thing is that for some reason I thought you started it.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Yeah, you did. 

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=36465.msg1344441#msg1344441

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I think there's more to it elsewhere, as I recall LMNO and Roger commenting on it, and someone (Telarus) posting links to the forums he posted on.

[Junkenstein]

Ah. Well then.

Probably worth it's own thread given the level of horror, issues involved and so on.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Ah. Well then.

Probably worth it's own thread given the level of horror, issues involved and so on.

Well, the shitneck had apparently managed to offend the MRA/PUA assmonkeys.  We now have one (1) data point for what is on the other side of the MRA/PUA types.

Which, of course, would be YARGANARG BANG BANG BANG.

This does not come as a shock to me.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Ah. Well then.

Probably worth it's own thread given the level of horror, issues involved and so on.

Yeah, it's a big wad of string to untangle.

[Junkenstein]

Related to ongoing converstations:
http://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2014/05/invisible-war-rape-not-occupational-hazard-serving-military

As the credits roll, and the post-screening discussion panel assembles at the front of the Lexi Cinema in Kensal Rise, no one speaks. The film's relentless roll-call of violations has reduced us to silence:

Robin Khale US Marine Corps: It's just after 3am, I see shadow of a human head over my body.
Ayana Defour US Army: Next thing you know, like I wake up and like he's on top of me.
Christina Jones US Army: he pushed my legs apart and put himself on top of me and started pulling up my shirt.
Captain Debra Dickerson US Air force: and I wake up, and he's on top of me. He's already penetrated me.
Lee Le Teff US Army: He put his locked and loaded 45 at the base of my skull, engaged the bolt so that I knew that there was a round chambered.
Katie Webber US Army: All I could do was continue to concentrate on breathing.
Valine Demos US Army Medical Corps: when we got tested I had trich, and gonorrhoea and I was pregnant.
The New York Times said of Kirby Dick's Oscar-nominated documentary, The Invisible War, that "this is not a movie that can be ignored". It is a bitter irony for the women involved that one of the main things that cannot be ignored about this unflinching investigation into rape in the US military is how very ignored the many rapes it documents have been. Tia Christopher of the US Navy tells the filmmakers that when "they took me before my Lieutenant Commander, he says 'd'you think this is funny', I was like, 'what do you mean?', he's like, 'is this all a joke to you?', I was like, 'what do you mean?' And he goes, 'you're the third girl to report rape this week; are you guys like all in cahoots, you think this is a game?'" Rather than leading commanding officers to think the army might have a problem with rape, the sheer volume of sexual assault in the military leads them to think that the women who report it must be lying.

[P3nT4gR4m]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2014/05/27/316317191/worlds-richest-people-meet-muse-on-how-to-spread-the-wealth

It's easy to be cynical but I try my best not to be.

[Junkenstein]

Err
http://digitaljournal.com/news/politics/bush-terror-czar-richard-clarke-bush-cheney-are-war-criminals/article/384904

he nation's former top counter-terrorism official has accused George W. Bush of "war crimes" for launching the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
Richard Clarke, the counter-terror czar during the early years of the Bush presidency who resigned after the Iraq invasion, made the accusation during an interview with Democracy Now! that will air next week.
Host Amy Goodman asked: "Do you think President Bush should be brought up on war crimes [charges], and Vice President Cheney and [Defense Secretary] Donald Rumsfeld, for the attack on Iraq?"
"I think things that they authorized probably fall within the area of war crimes," replied Clarke. "Whether [prosecution] would be productive or not, I think, is a discussion we could all have."

While hardly new news, I'm somewhat surprised that this chap hasn't driven into a tree or accidentally cut his own throat shaving.

I'm also somewhat surprised by lack of the same kind of calls towards Obama. You would have thought him to be quite up on what's been going on of late and how little real change has occurred.

Under domestic and international law, President Barack Obama is obligated to prosecute all cases in which credible evidence of war crimes, specifically torture, have been found. But despite vowing to investigate alleged Bush war crimes, Obama has protected Bush officials from prosecution, stating he is "more interested in looking forwards... than backwards."
Meanwhile, individuals who expose US war crimes, such as whistleblowers Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning, Julian Assange and John Kiriakou, have been aggressively targeted by the Obama administration.

(Various embedded links) That's pretty damning and well documented. I can understand why this chap has an axe to grind with the bush administration, but surely pressure on the current one would be HA HA HA HA HA HA

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Related to ongoing converstations:
http://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2014/05/invisible-war-rape-not-occupational-hazard-serving-military

As the credits roll, and the post-screening discussion panel assembles at the front of the Lexi Cinema in Kensal Rise, no one speaks. The film's relentless roll-call of violations has reduced us to silence:

Robin Khale US Marine Corps: It's just after 3am, I see shadow of a human head over my body.
Ayana Defour US Army: Next thing you know, like I wake up and like he's on top of me.
Christina Jones US Army: he pushed my legs apart and put himself on top of me and started pulling up my shirt.
Captain Debra Dickerson US Air force: and I wake up, and he's on top of me. He's already penetrated me.
Lee Le Teff US Army: He put his locked and loaded 45 at the base of my skull, engaged the bolt so that I knew that there was a round chambered.
Katie Webber US Army: All I could do was continue to concentrate on breathing.
Valine Demos US Army Medical Corps: when we got tested I had trich, and gonorrhoea and I was pregnant.
The New York Times said of Kirby Dick's Oscar-nominated documentary, The Invisible War, that "this is not a movie that can be ignored". It is a bitter irony for the women involved that one of the main things that cannot be ignored about this unflinching investigation into rape in the US military is how very ignored the many rapes it documents have been. Tia Christopher of the US Navy tells the filmmakers that when "they took me before my Lieutenant Commander, he says 'd'you think this is funny', I was like, 'what do you mean?', he's like, 'is this all a joke to you?', I was like, 'what do you mean?' And he goes, 'you're the third girl to report rape this week; are you guys like all in cahoots, you think this is a game?'" Rather than leading commanding officers to think the army might have a problem with rape, the sheer volume of sexual assault in the military leads them to think that the women who report it must be lying.

It's pretty massively fucked up.

[Junkenstein]

It is.

Again, the nature of the system seems to escalate this kind of shit. When everyone has an incentive for there to be no problem, then a lot of people are not going to see any problem.

The attitude of the Commanding officers in this instance. Actually dealing with any kind of disorder is a mark against you. How can this make sense? Surely it would be better to have CO's that can actually fix problems? Well apparently not so the ones who get promoted are the ones most adept at concealing problems.

The thought occurs that a large number of people live very well from concealing problems, in many, many, professions.

[Raz Tech]

Okay, I have a really long-winded comment about rape in the military, buy I'm on a phone so bear with me if it comes out all fuckered up.

Rape in the military is a very prevelant thing.  Ive seen cases of men raping women, women rapping men, men rapping other men, all sorts of terrible shit.  It used to be not so bad back in the day, but the way commands work now has made it worse.  You see, once upon a time I remember us hearing about one of our shipmates (who happened to b4 a girl) got assaulted by a kid who was also on our boat.  Sofor of us dragged him into a back room and kicked the piss out of him.  Afterwards, he went to captains mast (where you receive military punishment) and the CO kicked his sorry ass from the boat to the brig.  Should we have beat the guy up? some would say no, but we look out for out own so I would do it again.The point is, he got his in the end.

Nowadays, every time anything like this happens it's made to look like the CO's fault, in a report that goes all the way to the pentagon.  So the spineless CO's that are becoming more prevalent try their hardest to turn a blind eye, which of course harbors an environment that makes such horrendous things almost decriminalised

Fortunately, somebody finally came up with the idea that there should be a means to circumvent direct chain of command in these issues, so while it's far from not happening, light is finally being shed on the issues at hand.

The only other issue is that there are also many cases of boy who cried wolf floating around.  I know of at least one case where a person was cheating on their spouse for at least 4 months, got caught, and tried to turn the whole thing into a rape case.  I wish people would stop doing that, because it detracts from the people who are actually having an issue.

[Raz Tech]

also .45's don't have bolts, they have slides, and we don't use the term locked and loaded

I don't know why that peeves me but it does.