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Started by Sir Perineal, March 10, 2007, 08:59:14 PM

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Sir Perineal

March 10, 2007, 08:59:14 PM
This came up in another thread, and it is still bugging me.

Someone mentioned that belief in Free Will,Ñ¢ seems necessary for a Discordian.

But I just don't buy it ... that is the whole Free Will,Ñ¢ thing ...

To me, it seems terribly difficult to define this mysterious Free Will,Ñ¢, let alone to talk about how it fits into daily life or into anything else for that matter.

I don't know what I'm really getting at here.  I guess I just want to hear other (naidrocsiD) people's thoughts on the subject.

So what do you guys think about the whole concept of Free Will,Ñ¢?
Sir Perineal Gräfenberg III, KSC, AOHF, AISB, FNORD, HIMEOBS

~Concordian Commissar of the Academic Order of THE HEMLOCK FELLOWSHIP~

Cain

#1
March 10, 2007, 09:01:22 PM
Will do.

Later.

Right now, going out and getting drunk.

hunter s.durden

#2
March 10, 2007, 09:33:46 PM
You should worry about defining happiness first.

Hunter- almost feels bad for you
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Messier Undertree

#3
March 10, 2007, 09:45:47 PM Last Edit: March 10, 2007, 10:50:03 PM by davedim
Quote from: hunter s.durden on March 10, 2007, 09:33:46 PM
You should worry about defining happiness first.

Hunter- almost feels bad for you

I feel like that too.

I like the Buddhist idea that unless it's necessary to know something to reach enlightenment, then you shouldn't worry about it.

Like god, fate, the universe etc.

It's all irrelevant...

Sir Perineal

#4
March 10, 2007, 10:08:46 PM
Quote from: hunter s.durden on March 10, 2007, 09:33:46 PM
You should worry about defining happiness first.

Hunter- almost feels bad for you

Is happiness the summum bonum?
Sir Perineal Gräfenberg III, KSC, AOHF, AISB, FNORD, HIMEOBS

~Concordian Commissar of the Academic Order of THE HEMLOCK FELLOWSHIP~

Messier Undertree

#5
March 10, 2007, 10:23:02 PM
Quote from: Sir Perineal on March 10, 2007, 10:08:46 PM
Is happiness the summum bonum?

Bipolar terms like that make me cry...

Sir Perineal

#6
March 10, 2007, 10:36:07 PM
Quote from: davedim on March 10, 2007, 10:23:02 PM
Quote from: Sir Perineal on March 10, 2007, 10:08:46 PM
Is happiness the summum bonum?

Bipolar terms like that make me cry...

Really?

They usually give me a hard-on...
Sir Perineal Gräfenberg III, KSC, AOHF, AISB, FNORD, HIMEOBS

~Concordian Commissar of the Academic Order of THE HEMLOCK FELLOWSHIP~

LHX

#7
March 10, 2007, 11:41:16 PM
i said it in the other thread

people dont like not having Free Will because at first glance it isnt sexy


but like that nerdy chick with glasses at the beginning of the movie looks better the more you get to know her - i have come to see the sexiness of the pre-determined perspective


like i said before - free will suggests that we have all chosen to come here and build on this site- pre-determined means that we have been gathered together for a reason

i am down with either-or

ill even take both


personally -
im willing to play a role in the back or take the lead

whatever fits
neat hell

hunter s.durden

#8
March 11, 2007, 02:33:04 AM
I don't speak Latin.

I'll assume summum bonum means "Hunter is great!"
And I am.

I just feel happiness is the end-all.
If I am happy, I don't give a shit whether I chose it or it chose me.
That becomes irrelevant.
The lulz take precedent.
This space for rent.

P3nT4gR4m

#9
March 11, 2007, 02:46:56 AM
Quote from: hunter s.durden on March 11, 2007, 02:33:04 AM
I don't speak Latin.

I'll assume summum bonum means "Hunter is great!"
And I am.

I just feel happiness is the end-all.
If I am happy, I don't give a shit whether I chose it or it chose me.
That becomes irrelevant.
The lulz take precedent.

Spoken like a true messia

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hunter s.durden

#10
March 11, 2007, 03:05:18 AM
Did you mean messiah, or is messia Scottish for "gaywad".

I'll accept messiah.
Or gaywad.
Whatever I can get.
This space for rent.

LHX

#11
March 11, 2007, 04:13:27 AM
thats a good fuckin barometer



the correct co-ordinates
neat hell

Lies

#12
March 11, 2007, 04:50:12 AM
I believe that free will exists for those who believe it exists, and is taken away by those who believe in destiny.

Whether it's a curse or a boon is all on your perspective...
- So the New World Order does not actually exist?
- Oh it exists, and how!
Ask the slaves whose labour built the White House;
Ask the slaves of today tied down to sweatshops and brothels to escape hunger;
Ask most women, second class citizens, in a pervasive rape culture;
Ask the non-human creatures who inhabit the planet:
whales, bears, frogs, tuna, bees, slaughtered farm animals;
Ask the natives of the Americas and Australia on whose land
you live today, on whose graves your factories, farms and neighbourhoods stand;
ask any of them this, ask them if the New World Order is true;
they'll tell you plainly: the New World Order... is you!

Sir Perineal

#13
March 11, 2007, 05:14:06 AM
i think it's a lollercaust how we don't have free will but then we can't prove causation either
Sir Perineal Gräfenberg III, KSC, AOHF, AISB, FNORD, HIMEOBS

~Concordian Commissar of the Academic Order of THE HEMLOCK FELLOWSHIP~

tyrannosaurus vex

#14
March 11, 2007, 07:29:38 AM
free will leads to too much bullshit. the concept of it, i mean, not free will itself.  i usually make even less sense than that.

free will is something that, if you believe you have it, then you have to keep reminding yourself of it all the time. especially in "today's modern world," where 99% of your time is taken up by trivial bullshit that just 'has to get done.'  Free Will was a fine philosophical diversion for a bunch of old bearded Greeks 3000 years ago.  But for the modern Thinking Ape, it's gets to be a distraction.  You've got to keep wondering "am i doing this because i choose to, or because the house will start stinking eventually if i don't?"  Who has time to worry about it?

That's pretty much the problem right there.  But, in the interest of being long-winded and boring, I'll go on.

It seems to me that Free Will is a superficial excuse for being a damned jackass, most of the time.  Real Free Will isn't what happens when you choose from among all the options some unimaginative fuck in the Marketing Department decides to present you with.  It's when you're aware of a) What The Fuck Is Going On, and b) What The Fuck That Means To You.  In other words, Free Will isn't measured by your choices or your actions, but by your awareness of and your resolve to do that which a situation prompts you to do.

That is,

pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. for chrissakes.
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