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An open Letter to the Pd.Com Movement

Started by Thurnez Isa, March 31, 2007, 08:46:28 PM

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Thurnez Isa

WARNING: I probably should have tried to organize this letter better, but I wanted to present it at it's most pure.




Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.  The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary.  ~Albert Einstein

   Yes my friends the 21st Century is upon us. Hill and Thornley have brought us this far. The conformism and commercialism of the fifties has morphed into an almost impenetrable beast. It whores it it's false identities - pathetic, conformist selfishness – with far deadlier effect then the prevailing sense of community if offered in Hill and Thornley's time.
   The Christian faith is on a crossroads, threatening to tear itself into two entities, especially in the south were the End Time Rapture Movement has positioned itself with organization and power, challenging the liberalizing movement in Chrisitianity. Religiosity is on the rise and in all likelyhood devide faith into those with medieval-like certainty and those without.
   So what will disordianism morph into as the 21st Century moves on forward? What will the movement inspired by Hill and Thornley's little book become? Perhaps something that resembles these three principles.

1)Imitate
Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.  ~Voltaire

   I guess you could go all balls out, write fnord on your money, chant in a tree, or act like a complete jackass in public - but all your going to get is laughed at, as is evident from current forum events. If you want to put a clog in the gears of anything that is ant-freedom you have to get yourself into a situation were you could do some damage, and then fade away into the shadows, so you could cause asshattery again and again... There is something to be said in secrecy as evident with some of Roger's rants.

2) Initiate
   This is were the real trick is. Find your target, know your purpose and initiate. Depending on the difficulty of the jake there may require more organization with other discordianists, or other sympathizers. Remember love may bring us together, but it is hate that keeps us together.
   With the Internet we have a stepping stone that could be used for greater purpose. But we most not forget the tangibility of something you could hold in our hand, see with our own eyes, feel with your own touch

Do not follow where the path may lead.  Go, instead, where there is no path and leave a trail.  ~Ralph Waldo Emerson

   We all know the old debate. Is Discordianism a religion, is it a parody, is it a joke. Well I think if there's an answer which is more complicated then that. It has something to do with life, and being able to see life and humanity in the dark crevices and the alleyways of the strange, which most people are too afraid to look. To travel down the path of the doomed (to use a Hunter Thompson term) with freedom and chaos in our imagination.
   The world needs the wind of freedom more then ever. Here in the west people fear to look into the shadows, the lightly darkened mirror... into the barrooms of the lost. There is comfort in their constructed idenities, and with bliss one is able to maintain this level of comfort.
   To me this is what Hill and Thornley were challenging. What they would want us to continue to challenge.

3)Intimidate
He who fears something gives it power over him.  ~Moorish Proverb

   Simple enough. Make them fear us. Make people go out of their dainty little minds trying to understand us. Attack what is cherished ; Family Values, Ignorant Spirituality, Childish Security, Culture, Apple Pie.
   Destroying the Machine headon is like trying to kill a dragon with a wet noodle - next to impossible. Small targets... small strikes... withdrawals... guerrilla warfare it its more pure.

   As the 21st Century grinds its way forward our prize has never been more juicy, our targets never more complex, and as discordianism slowly fades into a history (just a book full of hippie bullshit and beatnik sensitivities) with stealth, hate and beauty we can try to imitate, initiate, and intimidate the rising tide of  ignorance and stolen identities. 

The Discordians . . . are more anarchist than the anarchists, whom they find too bureaucratic.
  Robert Anton Wilson

Yours, Truely

Dan
Through me the way to the city of woe, Through me the way to everlasting pain, Through me the way among the lost.
Justice moved my maker on high.
Divine power made me, Wisdom supreme, and Primal love.
Before me nothing was but things eternal, and eternal I endure.
Abandon all hope, you who enter here.

Dante

Payne

I like this.

Point 3) intimidate. - they already fear us i think, its the motivation for them to ignore us. IMO we need to make it impossible for them to ignore the affect we have on the machine, on their lives.

:oops:

Cain

I should point out I invented quote number three  :oops:

More comment after some more thought.

cyberus

Well said, Thurnez.  Although along with the stranglehold commercialism has on the majority of the world today comes the faux-counterculture shit they spew to try and tie up their loose ends(First it was 'What can we do to get the hippie's money?'  Then, 'What can we do to get the punk-rockers to empty their wallets?' And on and on.)  The point you make about imitating, being laughed at for fnording bills, etc is a valid one, but you fail to mention that it's the discordians who are laughing, because we know that these actions, which probably worked wonders in Hill and Thornley's day, are now just as much part of The MachineTM as varsity jackets were in those days.

This makes your initiation point a bit more concise.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on March 31, 2007, 08:46:28 PMFind your target, know your purpose and initiate.
The bun-sellers or cake-makers were in nothing inclinable to their request; but,which was worse,did injure them most outrageously,called them prattling gabblers,lickorous gluttons,freckled bittors,mangy rascals,shite-a-bed scoundrels,drunken roysters,sly knaves,drowsy loiterers,slapsauce fellows,slabberdegullion druggels,lubberly louts,cozening foxes,ruffian rogues,paltry customers,sycophant-varlets,drawlatch hoydens,flouting milksops,jeering companions,staring clowns,forlorn snakes,ninny lobcocks,scurvy sneaksbies,fondling fops,base loons,saucy coxcombs,idle lusks,scoffing braggarts,noddy meacocks,blockish grutnols,doddipol-joltheads,jobbernol goosecaps,foolish loggerheads,flutch calf-lollies,grouthead gnat-snappers,lob-dotterels,gaping changelings,codshead loobies,woodcock slangams,ninny-hammer flycatchers,noddypeak simpletons,turdy gut,shitten shepherds,and other suchlike defamatory epithets; saying further,that it was not for them to eat of these dainty cakes...

Penumbral

wierd, I have been gone too long. I used to think and write like that.

You wouldn't by chance be 16?

The problem is I would love to be able to say that this thinking is immature, and diluted. But I have no idea how diluted my own thinking is. I work at the heart of this capitalist beast (btw I am and always have been a firm capitalist (however not quite the way it is)) I need it to eat, have shelter, and communication.

My signature is "non servian" witch means I will not serve. some may say this s a contradiction the way I live my life. My rule is as long as I get more then I feel they are taking from me I am only really serving myself.
My only better idea right now involves a small army. 


Lies

I like the letter so much I'm going to steal it.
- So the New World Order does not actually exist?
- Oh it exists, and how!
Ask the slaves whose labour built the White House;
Ask the slaves of today tied down to sweatshops and brothels to escape hunger;
Ask most women, second class citizens, in a pervasive rape culture;
Ask the non-human creatures who inhabit the planet:
whales, bears, frogs, tuna, bees, slaughtered farm animals;
Ask the natives of the Americas and Australia on whose land
you live today, on whose graves your factories, farms and neighbourhoods stand;
ask any of them this, ask them if the New World Order is true;
they'll tell you plainly: the New World Order... is you!

Thurnez Isa

Quote from: Penumbral on April 01, 2007, 07:44:40 AM
wierd, I have been gone too long. I used to think and write like that.

You wouldn't by chance be 16?

The problem is I would love to be able to say that this thinking is immature, and diluted. But I have no idea how diluted my own thinking is. I work at the heart of this capitalist beast (btw I am and always have been a firm capitalist (however not quite the way it is)) I need it to eat, have shelter, and communication.

My signature is "non servian" witch means I will not serve. some may say this s a contradiction the way I live my life. My rule is as long as I get more then I feel they are taking from me I am only really serving myself.
My only better idea right now involves a small army. 



no 26
just to point out im nether pro or anti capitalism
and of course there are many forms of capitalism
Im pretty interested though in the effects of cosumerism and comercialization
Through me the way to the city of woe, Through me the way to everlasting pain, Through me the way among the lost.
Justice moved my maker on high.
Divine power made me, Wisdom supreme, and Primal love.
Before me nothing was but things eternal, and eternal I endure.
Abandon all hope, you who enter here.

Dante

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Penumbral on April 01, 2007, 07:44:40 AM
The problem is I would love to be able to say that this thinking is immature, and diluted.

Repent.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Penumbral

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2007, 08:25:03 PM
Quote from: Penumbral on April 01, 2007, 07:44:40 AM
The problem is I would love to be able to say that this thinking is immature, and diluted.

Repent.

Misunderstood. I ment "beacuse I see so much of myself at a yonger age in that writting i would like to belive Im smarter now"

its not that I just want to hack at others posts.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Penumbral on April 02, 2007, 02:17:52 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2007, 08:25:03 PM
Quote from: Penumbral on April 01, 2007, 07:44:40 AM
The problem is I would love to be able to say that this thinking is immature, and diluted.

Repent.

Misunderstood. I ment "beacuse I see so much of myself at a yonger age in that writting i would like to belive Im smarter now"

its not that I just want to hack at others posts.

Smarter than what?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Lysergic on April 01, 2007, 08:10:15 AM
I like the letter so much I'm going to steal it.

Um, you DO know exactly how useful will be outside of the Discordian community, right?

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Penumbral

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Smarter than what?

I was.

more learned in the ways of the world, but as this made me think about it i doubt that.

end of clarification.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Penumbral on April 02, 2007, 03:51:58 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Smarter than what?

I was.

more learned in the ways of the world, but as this made me think about it i doubt that.

end of clarification.

Okay.

I've been doing this for about 30 years, give or take, and I'm still dumb as fuck.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Lies

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 02, 2007, 03:47:26 AM
Quote from: Lysergic on April 01, 2007, 08:10:15 AM
I like the letter so much I'm going to steal it.

Um, you DO know exactly how useful will be outside of the Discordian community, right?



There will be a meeting of discordians and the ike from around my area soon on the 23rd of april to see what us asshats here are like, and I figured this might be a good letter to see.
Hopefully it'll inspire them to form some sort of loose cabel of death and destruction and make us want to work in group unison to burn down parliament or something stupid.
- So the New World Order does not actually exist?
- Oh it exists, and how!
Ask the slaves whose labour built the White House;
Ask the slaves of today tied down to sweatshops and brothels to escape hunger;
Ask most women, second class citizens, in a pervasive rape culture;
Ask the non-human creatures who inhabit the planet:
whales, bears, frogs, tuna, bees, slaughtered farm animals;
Ask the natives of the Americas and Australia on whose land
you live today, on whose graves your factories, farms and neighbourhoods stand;
ask any of them this, ask them if the New World Order is true;
they'll tell you plainly: the New World Order... is you!

Lies

I do have one tiny sniggling complaint about this that can be safely igonored, you should have made it 5 things instead of 3, cus you know, fnord and shit.
- So the New World Order does not actually exist?
- Oh it exists, and how!
Ask the slaves whose labour built the White House;
Ask the slaves of today tied down to sweatshops and brothels to escape hunger;
Ask most women, second class citizens, in a pervasive rape culture;
Ask the non-human creatures who inhabit the planet:
whales, bears, frogs, tuna, bees, slaughtered farm animals;
Ask the natives of the Americas and Australia on whose land
you live today, on whose graves your factories, farms and neighbourhoods stand;
ask any of them this, ask them if the New World Order is true;
they'll tell you plainly: the New World Order... is you!