ELEMENTARY BRAIN WASHING MATERIAL...

[saint aini]

This thread gives me an awful vertigo feeling when I scroll horizontally.

I don't see it since I can disable images in my browser with the right plugins.

[Ambassador KAOS]

if I was hitler... well, I'd be him and give the same orders to cleanse the land.

LMNO setting up the bomb, ITT

(though perhaps not intentionally)

I do appologize but I still be entirely comfortable that the entire online community has the ability to decipher what was actually being said, for those of you who need to jump in and take this out of context...as if iyou didn't know, (ahem, no one in particular)  I was indicating that if one was raised and lived hitler's life they would make exactly the same choices and feel as justified as he did in doing so.  Their current identity would cease, there would be NO understanding of the perspectives they have now.  That is all on that.

[saint aini]

if I was hitler... well, I'd be him and give the same orders to cleanse the land.

LMNO setting up the bomb, ITT

(though perhaps not intentionally)

I do appologize but I still be entirely comfortable that the entire online community has the ability to decipher what was actually being said, for those of you who need to jump in and take this out of context...as if iyou didn't know, (ahem, no one in particular)  I was indicating that if one was raised and lived hitler's life they would make exactly the same choices and feel as justified as he did in doing so.  Their current identity would cease, there would be NO understanding of the perspectives they have now.  That is all on that.

Is it better to be right or to be loved?

[Payne]

I was indicating that if one was raised and lived hitler's life they would make exactly the same choices and feel as justified as he did in doing so.

That smacks of determinism! And its also impossible to test the theory.

[Ambassador KAOS]

if I was hitler... well, I'd be him and give the same orders to cleanse the land.

LMNO setting up the bomb, ITT

(though perhaps not intentionally)

I do appologize but I still be entirely comfortable that the entire online community has the ability to decipher what was actually being said, for those of you who need to jump in and take this out of context...as if iyou didn't know, (ahem, no one in particular)  I was indicating that if one was raised and lived hitler's life they would make exactly the same choices and feel as justified as he did in doing so.  Their current identity would cease, there would be NO understanding of the perspectives they have now.  That is all on that.

Is it better to be right or to be loved?

All in context, there are too many infinite factors, deal with each situation individually.

I'd say it's better to be niether but rather ture to yourself, whether that means you are right wrong, loved, unloved or whatever.

[saint aini]

if I was hitler... well, I'd be him and give the same orders to cleanse the land.

LMNO setting up the bomb, ITT

(though perhaps not intentionally)

I do appologize but I still be entirely comfortable that the entire online community has the ability to decipher what was actually being said, for those of you who need to jump in and take this out of context...as if iyou didn't know, (ahem, no one in particular)  I was indicating that if one was raised and lived hitler's life they would make exactly the same choices and feel as justified as he did in doing so.  Their current identity would cease, there would be NO understanding of the perspectives they have now.  That is all on that.

Is it better to be right or to be loved?

All in context, there are too many infinite factors, deal with each situation individually.

I'd say it's better to be niether but rather ture to yourself, whether that means you are right wrong, loved, unloved or whatever.

I'll take that as you prefer to be right.

Enjoy the abuse.

And by the way...
happy 26th birthday on the 16th.

[Ambassador KAOS]

thanks much, you guys are too sweet.

I already knew about you anyhow, I put 2 and 2 together with the fire breathing pic.  =)
Posting about the fettish show (and that you're a haxor and that specifically my aol account was hacked) just kinda confirmed it.
Fancy meeting you here though.

I wasn't gonna tell if you didn't though.

In reference to the statement though, it still is a matter of context,

if you prefer to be in love, would that not be you being right in regards to following your personal choice?

The thing about arguments is, there is never a right or wrong with subjectivity and simply exposing a failing in an argument doesn't disqualify it's vallidity as every viewpoint fails to take in the total picure.

This is elementary to public speaking, point out how your enemy is wrong and show your idea, it now seems right to teh onlooker but in actuality is just as faulty as any other viewpoint.

[saint aini]

thanks much, you guys are too sweet.

I already knew about you anyhow, I put 2 and 2 together with the fire breathing pic.  =)
Posting about the fetish show (and that you're a haxor and that specifically my aol account was hacked) just kinda confirmed it.
Fancy meeting you here though.

I wasn't gonna tell if you didn't though.

In reference to the statement though, it still is a matter of context,

if you prefer to be in love, would that not be you being right in regards to following your personal choice?

The thing about arguments is, there is never a right or wrong with subjectivity and simply exposing a failing in an argument doesn't disqualify it's vallidity as every viewpoint fails to take in the total picure.

This is elementary to public speaking, point out how your enemy is wrong and show your idea, it now seems right to teh onlooker but in actuality is just as faulty as any other viewpoint.

You use AOL and were never cracked until today?  Wow, you're one of the lucky ones.  Nope, I don't crack.  Breaking into things is not exactly my cup of tea. Besides, your AOL screenname is fairly easy to get.

Anyways, I once preferred being right all the time.  It was a very lonely and painful time. When you're right, you're right and nothing else.  Then I decided, eh, when in doubt, fuck it; when not in doubt, get in doubt.

Yeah, so, I'm a freak.  An amateur fetish/alternative model.  A semi-professional fire performer.  Yeah, I can also be the Human Blockhead with a 10p nail and a spoon.  I love the sideshow and the performing arts.

The funny thing is, after reading the vast majority of your content, I cannot find any instance in which we would have met prior.

Ah, but the fallacy of fallacies is that an argument may indeed be based on a fallacy, yet produce a valid result.

[Ambassador KAOS]

nope, not cracked till now.

I'll allow for the possibility that you're not who I thought you were, but the coincidences do seem to make it hard to swallow...

I used to know a chic on AOL who was a bit of a haxor and a fetish model who also was a fire breather (alius rivet among others).

If you were her you'd remember me, I'm not so easy to forget.
hell... for not knowing me you even know my birthday and former name, how many people track of that shit on?

To clear up a rumor, I did indeed change my name and the AOL info is years out of date.

I do see value in your perspective of getting in doubt when not in doubt, but I know for me I was a worthless waste of rescources when I subscribed to that and I now use a more utilitarian aproach and a couple of quotes from enstein and tharp come to mind, but they've probably been read.

To make change for the sake of itself seems to be a poor allocation of rescources,

Sure you'll never be stagnant, but you aren't likely to get much done either if all your calories are spent changing systems regularly.

Accoutning for things like fatigue and degenerative stagnation of any particular approach in a behavioral system are part of the utilitarian view I usually use and subvert a system (using the pragmattic system I discussed earlier ITT) when it identifies itself as inferior.

I'm not trying to be right, nor saying anyone else should live this way, just that that is how I am operating for today and by all means,
if you have a lever I can use to pres my advantage in achieving my goals, please do train me in it's use (but don't expect me to drop everything and not critically analyze what I am about to ingest).

This same thing applies to the fallacy of fallicies line you threw in on the end.

[Thurnez Isa]

I lOve YoU CaPtaIn KaOs

i wAnnA CuM on yOUr LeG

[Idem]

nope, not cracked till now.

I'll allow for the possibility that you're not who I thought you were, but the coincidences do seem to make it hard to swallow...

I used to know a chic on AOL who was a bit of a haxor and a fetish model who also was a fire breather (alius rivet among others).

If you were her you'd remember me, I'm not so easy to forget.
hell... for not knowing me you even know my birthday and former name, how many people track of that shit on?

To clear up a rumor, I did indeed change my name and the AOL info is years out of date.

I do see value in your perspective of getting in doubt when not in doubt, but I know for me I was a worthless waste of rescources when I subscribed to that and I now use a more utilitarian aproach and a couple of quotes from enstein and tharp come to mind, but they've probably been read.

To make change for the sake of itself seems to be a poor allocation of rescources,

Sure you'll never be stagnant, but you aren't likely to get much done either if all your calories are spent changing systems regularly.

Accoutning for things like fatigue and degenerative stagnation of any particular approach in a behavioral system are part of the utilitarian view I usually use and subvert a system (using the pragmattic system I discussed earlier ITT) when it identifies itself as inferior.

I'm not trying to be right, nor saying anyone else should live this way, just that that is how I am operating for today and by all means,
if you have a lever I can use to pres my advantage in achieving my goals, please do train me in it's use (but don't expect me to drop everything and not critically analyze what I am about to ingest).

This same thing applies to the fallacy of fallicies line you threw in on the end.

I didnt read what you said

But I'm sure it was shit

[saint aini]

nope, not cracked till now.

I'll allow for the possibility that you're not who I thought you were, but the coincidences do seem to make it hard to swallow...

I used to know a chic on AOL who was a bit of a haxor and a fetish model who also was a fire breather (alius rivet among others).

If you were her you'd remember me, I'm not so easy to forget.
hell... for not knowing me you even know my birthday and former name, how many people track of that shit on?

To clear up a rumor, I did indeed change my name and the AOL info is years out of date.

I do see value in your perspective of getting in doubt when not in doubt, but I know for me I was a worthless waste of rescources when I subscribed to that and I now use a more utilitarian aproach and a couple of quotes from enstein and tharp come to mind, but they've probably been read.

To make change for the sake of itself seems to be a poor allocation of rescources,

Sure you'll never be stagnant, but you aren't likely to get much done either if all your calories are spent changing systems regularly.

Accoutning for things like fatigue and degenerative stagnation of any particular approach in a behavioral system are part of the utilitarian view I usually use and subvert a system (using the pragmattic system I discussed earlier ITT) when it identifies itself as inferior.

I'm not trying to be right, nor saying anyone else should live this way, just that that is how I am operating for today and by all means,
if you have a lever I can use to pres my advantage in achieving my goals, please do train me in it's use (but don't expect me to drop everything and not critically analyze what I am about to ingest).

This same thing applies to the fallacy of fallicies line you threw in on the end.

Know when to Be pressed by the lever.  Know when to press the lever.

Nope, I've never been to your part of the world.  Also, it's been ages since I've had AOL.  You go away to college and get free WiFi and you never go back to dialup ever again.

As for knowing your name, birthdate, street address, etc., I have my ways that do not involve breaking into any computer system or searching a specialized database.  I simply read your public content, written by none other than Dr. Klok himself.  As a demonstration of my research skills, I am attaching an aerial photograph of one of your residences.  Mind you, as a courtesy, I am not revealing the address.  The image serves as sufficient proof that I found it without revealing the exact address.  Mind you, this is all done by applying social engineering and knowing your mind quite well for you are a performer.

As for your aol screenname, I've seen in a number of places: most notably right under your avatar.

As for your name, post pics of the name change certificate. My research indicates that you still consider yourself to be "Luke".

This is not the middle ages when you could just disappear and start anew. I long for those days.  Anonymity... it no longer exists.

My point is to accept that which is and let the others worry their minds with dreadful and deadly logic as I enjoy what little is left of the blossoms of youth and beauty are in this bleak world to capitivate those who are still alive despite the bloody battles waged from everlasting until everlasting by those who have for all practical purposes have died a most unnatural death.

Anyways, I have to get a social networking site up tonight before changing gears for a major festival this weekend. I'm not performing, but it's worth my time to check out.

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[Ambassador KAOS]

I know how you found that stuff out, I was talking about the aol crack.

It occurred to me that I had older profiles up with out of date material that I had abandoned years ago and never bothered to take down.
wherever you are pulling the data that you think I still go by my former name is old and out of date.  Seriously.

I don't go by my former name (and didn't for years prior to changing it).

Poting pics of the name change certificate...

it's not certificate, it's a court order from a judge, as well as a local newspaper article, and my driver's liscnence
all of which contain sensitive data such as my current address(among other things), so posting them isn't really an option.

Then of course there is my bank statements, debit card, ui bills, mailbox, but they too also contain sensitive data that I'd rather not share with anyone who has promissed to dedicate efforts in attempting to cause me misery.

I could photoshop them of course and wipe out the sensitive data but if I did what's to say I didn't mess with the whole thing and frge any part of the document...

So therein lies the dilemma.  Besides it's kinda a bitch for me to get a digital cam as I have to sign it out at an hour that is rather inconvenient for me.

Why would you bother posting airial photos other than just to say, I can find some info if I need to?

I already got that figured when I got the notice from roger.

Not that I care if you do, but it seems like more effort than it's worth.

I believe you, or are you trying to verify to someone else?

If so I can verify, someone hacked my aol account and got some old information on me.

As far as your philosophical statement on the end there, it agrees with much of what I've said before too. 

I think that most people will find that many of the ideas that I express are ones taht they also subscribe to on some level.

When and how I present these things and when and how they are recieved is where things aren't always lining up.

People have spinning gears in their heads that run different thoughts through their minds at different speeds from others.  Just because they are in one frame of mind to disagree with somethigng today in one circumstance doesn't mean they won't agree with it tomarrow.

quoting radiohead "I'll go forwards, you go backwords and somewhere we will meet." (this reference is made in regards to the shape of the universe with the assumption that it all circles back on itself, much like the human mind.)

This means given enough interaction time two people will always find common ground on something because people are too fickel to be stuck in their ways forever.

It is human nature to adapt.

Good luck with your festival.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

it's not certificate, it's a court order from a judge, as well as a local newspaper article, and my driver's liscnence
all of which contain sensitive data such as my current address(among other things), so posting them isn't really an option.

It never happened.

[saint aini]

Posting the area photo was worth the effort when I saw Cain's reaction (You're not bluffing, are you?").

I am reminded of the Solipist who would convince everyone to agree with him, even if they are on opposite sides only because it is all within his mind.

Agreement pacifies and is thus more dangerous than Discord for it allows hidden dangers to pas unnoticed.

Anyways, I'll probably catch all of you sometimes next week as I have a major event to attend this weekend and a major site to build.