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Re: the matrix is solved
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2007, 06:23:29 pm »
While the wachowski bros. are a good source of lulzyness, I don't think they themselves do anything for anything except money (In THIS God we Trust).

I mean the robots, who would otherwise have been very bored.

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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2007, 06:23:54 pm »
the matrix = gnosticism with microchips.


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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2007, 06:26:23 pm »
Does it make me a pariah that I've not seen any of the Matrices?
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« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2007, 06:32:30 pm »
Does it make me a pariah that I've not seen any of the Matrices?

no, just makes you someone who didn't waste a lot of money.

i saw the first one and thought "hmm...ok."

i saw the second one and hated it. my friend stood up at the end and yelled 'YOU BASTARDS' at the screen when the credits rolled.

didn't get fooled a 3rd time.

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« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2007, 06:34:13 pm »
Well, I more than made up for it with the LOTR trilogy.  All three movies together, I think I visited the theatre a good 15 or so times.  Yeah, I know. 
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« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2007, 06:44:57 pm »
RWHN - don't worry about it.

I was merely threadjacking because of sheer inanity of the original post.

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« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2007, 07:40:56 pm »
the matrix = gnosticism with microchips.


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« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2007, 08:38:03 pm »
the matrix = gnosticism with microchips.


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Bear in mind that 99.9% of the audience were unaware of the very possibility of this projected reality. People are much easier to headfuck, face to face, now that we have the matrix itself and several other memes to expand on.
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« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2007, 10:17:29 pm »
zomg teh matrix r so philosopophi....paedlo....uh....deep and stuff!  Liek my Philosophy 101 Class! :D

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« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2007, 02:16:21 am »
Fundamental flaw in The Matrix*:

Evil robots enslave humans with a computer generated 'reality'.

The humans are basically used as batteries.

If the evil robots were so damn clever as to completely crack the neural code of the human brain why weren't they smart enough to solve their own energy crisis?


*That is, ignoring the unoriginal plot culled from other sources, the wooden acting, the style over substance school of film making and the fact that there wasn't really enough content for 3 movies but hey, it's the era of franchise cinema, so why not?


Or, breed humans with ancephaly.

Yeah, its not like the majority of the cerebrum has to work to continue living, as long as the metabolic processes work.
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Re: the matrix is solved
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2007, 08:20:38 am »
Bear in mind that 99.9% of the audience were unaware of the very possibility of this projected reality. People are much easier to headfuck, face to face, now that we have the matrix itself and several other memes to expand on.

yeah, srsly guys.

sure the "battery plot" was nonsense, and surely the second and third episodes were obsolete as fuck, but this movie has made more people aware of this "possibility" (and -sort-of-in-a-way- the limitations of their senses) than any BIP pamphlet we put out so far.

so it was wrapped in a thick layer of juicy sci-fi, kung-fu and cool shades, but as Silly says, it's still a useful hooking meme. just about any time i try to explain somebody what we're trying to get at with this BIP thing (yea, still working on recruiting peoples), i find myself being able to cut a large corner by simple mentioning "kinda like the matrix" somewhere along the lines, it helps you skip the whole "what if your senses weren't really real / butterfly dreaming of a man dreaming of a butterfly" kind of stuff, that would have been a whole lot more tedious to explain before it became part of our whole "cultural knowledge" before '95.
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Re: the matrix is solved
« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2007, 01:01:56 pm »
The problem is, now the concept is either "just a movie you ripped off", or else people say, "Oh yeah, I saw that movie, I get it," and then they dismiss you.

At which point the clawhammer comes out.

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« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2007, 02:56:30 pm »
not clawhammer, barstool.

it's not that hard to point out that the movie is sci-fi. it's only part of the movie you're referencing, if they start about that, you may have brought it up wrong, i was talking about explaining how your senses are the only thing that gets you input from the "outside reality", which you can illustrate with "for all we know we might be in some sort of Matrix".

they should get what you're saying by then. if they think you're talking about robots and sentient computer programs, they're probably not being really serious, kidding with you and you're wasting your time because they're not in the mindset to really listen anyway.
the other option is that they think you're talking about the "your mind only makes it real" (morpheus) and the "there is no spoon" bullshit, which offers a perfect opportunity for explaining them about the barstool experiment, making it a win/win situation, cause it enables you to show that both ends of the spectrum are wrong and truth is (at it's usual place) in the middle.
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Re: the matrix is solved
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2007, 03:02:17 pm »
Not barstool, clawhammer.


Essentially, they are trying to barstool you, saying, "so what i see is only a projection in my mind.  So what? I can still clobber you with this projection of a barstool."

You (we) are in the unenviable position of trying to explain why this idea is important, practical, and pragmatic.


I think we need to revisit the barstool metaphor.  Some of us might not be using it accurately.

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« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2007, 03:12:46 pm »
Not barstool, clawhammer.

and a clawhammer is in this case different from a barstool how?

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Essentially, they are trying to barstool you, saying, "so what i see is only a projection in my mind.  So what? I can still clobber you with this projection of a barstool."

You (we) are in the unenviable position of trying to explain why this idea is important, practical, and pragmatic.

um i thought we were talking about people who'd go "yea i saw that movie" but got all the wrong conclusions from it?

all i was trying to say, is you can use the phrase "just like in the matrix" to explain the philosophical thought-experiment of having all your experiences artificially fed to you, and you not being able to tell the difference. without 95% of all people having seen "the Matrix", you would be stuck for 5 minutes trying to paint imagery of some hypothetical machine that could record sensations visual hearing feeling everything etc etc, and now you can skip that whole bit and simply say "like one of those neckplugs from the Matrix" or whatever.

it's just that the concept of fully-immersive Virtual Reality (like in the Matrix) is now added to our cultural knowledge. which means that, if you want to talk about it, you can just reference this concept, instead of having to explain it all.
before 1995, if you wanted to talk about it, only a few cyberpunk geeks would understand you right away and for others you'd have to explain it. and sometimes that's a lot of explaining.

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I think we need to revisit the barstool metaphor.  Some of us might not be using it accurately.

i usually stick to the version you wrote, btw :)
[cause it's about the only one in the Barstool-thread that's just the simple plain barstool-story]

but if you think i got the wrong idea about it, please to correct me.
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