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Re: Enough
« Reply #135 on: May 21, 2007, 05:24:47 pm »

True spirituality, the practice of seeking to "improve" oneself (yes, I'm oversimplifying), is like masturbation.  You make up the fantasy and it's all about you.


So in your mind, conquering depression, mastering fears, and healing from abuse are the same as rubbing one off before work?


I don't think that's oversimplifying.  That's just retarded.
I meant that it was an entirely solo experience.  Nobody else can help you find "enlightenment".  It's strictly a do-it-yourself project.

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Re: Enough
« Reply #136 on: May 22, 2007, 01:45:57 am »

True spirituality, the practice of seeking to "improve" oneself (yes, I'm oversimplifying), is like masturbation.  You make up the fantasy and it's all about you.


So in your mind, conquering depression, mastering fears, and healing from abuse are the same as rubbing one off before work?


I don't think that's oversimplifying.  That's just retarded.
I meant that it was an entirely solo experience.  Nobody else can help you find "enlightenment".  It's strictly a do-it-yourself project.

Of course the individual is ultimately responsible for doing the work on their own problems.  I agree with you there.

But, if you think no one can help guide, inform, or influence you on your way... well, no wonder you liken spirituality to an unsatisfying fantasy and speak about it in the past tense.
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Re: Enough
« Reply #137 on: May 22, 2007, 01:22:56 pm »
Did we ever sort out the spirituality/superstition wrangling out?  Because I came up with a solution last night, but I can't be bothered to try and remember if we already had one or not.

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Re: Enough
« Reply #138 on: May 22, 2007, 01:45:48 pm »
Not really.  A few tried, but it got lost in the semantic asshattery.


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Re: Enough
« Reply #139 on: May 22, 2007, 01:50:33 pm »
Superstition is another variation of the aneristic delusion, basically.  Its looking for patterns, taking to a complete extreme, finding implicit meanings and signifiers in the most basic of happenings.

Spirituality never even fits into the Aneristic delusion.

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Re: Enough
« Reply #140 on: May 22, 2007, 02:03:29 pm »
Hey presto!

Good thinks, there.


Which would make a passed-down superstition (salt over the shoulder, etc) a case of not even looking for patterns, but trying to create a pattern out of the whole cloth.



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Re: Enough
« Reply #141 on: May 22, 2007, 02:39:58 pm »
Yeah.  I got that from R. A. Salvatore, actually.  I was reading about how the Drow keep seeing everything explained in terms of Lloth's will, no matter how random or casual etc which crippled their ability for action.  It kinda came to be naturally, after that, and I slapped myself on the head for not realizing such an obvious and Discordian answer to the problem.

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Re: Enough
« Reply #142 on: May 22, 2007, 03:10:07 pm »
All this discordianism crap is pretty much breaking down into a few distinct principles:

Pattern Recognition.
Primate Territorialism.
Reality grids/filters.

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Re: Enough
« Reply #143 on: May 22, 2007, 03:11:19 pm »
And inspiration from odd places.

Needs moar High Wierdness, too.

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Re: Enough
« Reply #144 on: May 22, 2007, 03:23:02 pm »
I consider the odd inspirations to be linked to the pattern recognition part, and the High Weirdness to be an absolute necessity if you're actually gonna try and live while thinking like this.

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Re: Enough
« Reply #145 on: May 22, 2007, 04:35:15 pm »
All this discordianism crap is pretty much breaking down into a few distinct principles:

Pattern Recognition.
Primate Territorialism.
Reality grids/filters.

i like this.

cain could you give a hint on how the high weirdness would fit in?

though i like lmno's approach of "high weirdness for simply coping" also.
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Re: Enough
« Reply #146 on: May 22, 2007, 05:05:39 pm »
I meant that it was an entirely solo experience.  Nobody else can help you find "enlightenment".  It's strictly a do-it-yourself project.

Of course the individual is ultimately responsible for doing the work on their own problems.  I agree with you there.

But, if you think no one can help guide, inform, or influence you on your way... well, no wonder you liken spirituality to an unsatisfying fantasy and speak about it in the past tense.
The problem here is that nobody else can know what it will take to give you that magic moment.  This falls under the category "you can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think."  The process does not occur in a vacuum. You can steal ideas from other people, but unless you already think exactly like that person does, their ideas can't help you.

However, once you start preaching to people how to become "enlightened" you just created a religion, and all religions are full of poomp and fail (mostly poomp).

I ranted here once about the evils of believing other people's shit.  Nothing's changed.

yep.  Here is the bit about spirituality vs religion.
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Re: Enough
« Reply #147 on: May 22, 2007, 05:11:42 pm »
All this discordianism crap is pretty much breaking down into a few distinct principles:

Pattern Recognition.
Primate Territorialism.
Reality grids/filters.

i like this.

cain could you give a hint on how the high weirdness would fit in?

though i like lmno's approach of "high weirdness for simply coping" also.
Maybe the PD bit about grids for inspiration.

And tentacles.  Needs more tentacles.

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Re: Enough
« Reply #148 on: May 22, 2007, 05:27:41 pm »
All this discordianism crap is pretty much breaking down into a few distinct principles:

Pattern Recognition.
Primate Territorialism.
Reality grids/filters.

i like this.

cain could you give a hint on how the high weirdness would fit in?

though i like lmno's approach of "high weirdness for simply coping" also.

I've always thought the high weirdness was a breaching technique. (at least it was for me)

the idea that when you do something unexpected, something so unexpected that it doesn't seem related to the grid you're in, it forces people to step back and see the grid.

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Re: Enough
« Reply #149 on: May 22, 2007, 05:29:22 pm »
All this discordianism crap is pretty much breaking down into a few distinct principles:

Pattern Recognition.
Primate Territorialism.
Reality grids/filters.

i like this.

cain could you give a hint on how the high weirdness would fit in?

though i like lmno's approach of "high weirdness for simply coping" also.

I've always thought the high weirdness was a breaching technique. (at least it was for me)

the idea that when you do something unexpected, something so unexpected that it doesn't seem related to the grid you're in, it forces people to step back and see the grid.

THAT probably depends on how far off the grid you are.  If they can't recognize what you're doing as something they might do too, then they just attribute you as "other," cast you off, and it's meaningless.