Ego, Heroism and Ideaology

[Jasper]

I,Äôll say right now that I,Äôm having some trouble correlating my thoughts into anything compelling, so I bring my ideas here unfinished.  What I,Äôm thinking about is the way we all seem to more or less live our beliefs and do so in a way that is intelligent and seemingly heroic compared to the normative way of people,Äôs self-conduct.  It,Äôs principle and extremism, it,Äôs ego and slack, it,Äôs bravery, it,Äôs putting your beliefs into actions, but it seems somehow more than all of that and boiling it all down into a more compelling arrangement is proving difficult.

We stand up and shout our guts up, bringing the thunder no matter what people want to hear.  We know our minds and we are not easily fooled.  I,Äôm willing to sacrifice some cool points by even mentioning it, in order to figure out what it all is.

It,Äôs like title of honor, being an asshat-yeti-mutant.  Anyone worthy of the title is immensely proud to be called so, yet aware that it is not a status that maintains itself- it is based upon performance.  New boot versus old guard constantly, because it,Äôs about who,Äôs best.  It,Äôs not peaceful, because the entire attitude cannot exist tranquilly.  It,Äôs about Mastery, Perception, Bravery, and Respect. 

What am I talking about?

[East Coast Hustle]

I dunno, but I like your post. It makes us sound much more noble than I think most of us really are, but that's by no means a bad thing.

[Payne]

I think.

[P3nT4gR4m]

You grow up, you live your life and all the while you see a whole bunch of people, some patently shitheads but some who strike you as heroes. You have two options, give up and be a prick or aspire to be like those heroes. If you choose the latter you have two further options - try to mimic them or try to do you own thing in the same spirit.

There are a lot of people around here whom, if taken at face value, I'd say were heroes. Are they really or are they BDSF's, just talking the talk without the biped part? Does it matter? Fictional characters can inspire me just as much as real ones.

[Jasper]

Okay.

So we have skewed senses of nobility, or at least more merit-based.  I think that there's little more noble or heroic than standing up in the name of your beliefs.

And it goes without saying that we don't always stand up.  Many of us can make our points sitting.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

it may be worth noting that many of our points must be made while sitting.


also, i have to ask you to qualify your statement that there is little more noble or heroic than standing up in the name of your beliefs.  i personally know a lot of jackasses who do that every day and make life fucking miserable for a lot of people.  in my opinion, there is nothing inherently noble about sticking up for your own esoteric abstract belief system.

[LHX]

i agree

if your 'beliefs' lead to any state of mind which involves oppression or encourages suffering, then standing up is gonna lead you to getting cut down


i think we are getting to a point where there are certain key elements that a person needs to adapt to their belief system

and not on the 'moral' or 'polite' tip

more like on the 'or else' tip


approach the universe with disrespect and you will be disrespected

approach the universe with respect and you will still be disrespected but it wont be personal

[Jasper]

It may be misleading to say "noble", perhaps commendable would be a better word.

Right or wrong in one's beliefs, it is far better to make them meaningful with actions.  I would have it that people would take their beliefs to mean something more than a fashion statement, I guess.

[East Coast Hustle]

ZOMG YUOR SO NOT PUNK!!X!X!X!

[Jasper]

Hmm.  Nobility on the other end of the spectrum. 

Punk royalty.

[East Coast Hustle]

no, I meant it as a slam on the punk scene, which has become the very antithesis of what "punk" was "supposed to be".

IOW, fashion over substance.

[Darth Cupcake]

It may be misleading to say "noble", perhaps commendable would be a better word.

Right or wrong in one's beliefs, it is far better to make them meaningful with actions.  I would have it that people would take their beliefs to mean something more than a fashion statement, I guess.

I concur with what I at least think you are saying. I can respect someone who lives by their beliefs even if I don't agree with their beliefs. It is, as you said, commendable.

no, I meant it as a slam on the punk scene, which has become the very antithesis of what "punk" was "supposed to be".

IOW, fashion over substance.

Wait, you mean punk ISN'T just about wearing fancy pants and leather jackets with spikes and mohawks? There is something more to it?!

[East Coast Hustle]

nope, that's pretty much all punk is about.

ECH,
saw Iggy Pop in a jeans commercial, cried a little

[The Lamanite]

I,Äôll say right now that I,Äôm having some trouble correlating my thoughts into anything compelling, so I bring my ideas here unfinished.  What I,Äôm thinking about is the way we all seem to more or less live our beliefs and do so in a way that is intelligent and seemingly heroic compared to the normative way of people,Äôs self-conduct.  It,Äôs principle and extremism, it,Äôs ego and slack, it,Äôs bravery, it,Äôs putting your beliefs into actions, but it seems somehow more than all of that and boiling it all down into a more compelling arrangement is proving difficult.

We stand up and shout our guts up, bringing the thunder no matter what people want to hear.  We know our minds and we are not easily fooled.  I,Äôm willing to sacrifice some cool points by even mentioning it, in order to figure out what it all is.

It,Äôs like title of honor, being an asshat-yeti-mutant.  Anyone worthy of the title is immensely proud to be called so, yet aware that it is not a status that maintains itself- it is based upon performance.  New boot versus old guard constantly, because it,Äôs about who,Äôs best.  It,Äôs not peaceful, because the entire attitude cannot exist tranquilly.  It,Äôs about Mastery, Perception, Bravery, and Respect. 

What am I talking about?

Faith.

[Jasper]

Esplain.