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Re: e-prime sucks and so do you.
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2007, 06:49:06 pm »
Cheesecakes and sponges might be described as sharing quite a lot in common, the least of which may or may not be the taste.

if your cheesecake tastes like sponge, then you need to shop for better cheesecake.

(i believe this to be so, IMHO, based on my experiences of having sampled many cheesecakes)  8)
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2007, 06:50:31 pm »
but how many sponges have you sampled?
How can you dare to call yourself an expert without a proper knowledge base?
Hmm???
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« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2007, 06:51:48 pm »
but how many sponges have you sampled?
How can you dare to call yourself an expert without a proper knowledge base?
Hmm???

i'm new to this e-prime stuff...so right now i'm at a loss other than to tell you to go and fuck yourself  :lol:
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« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2007, 06:59:51 pm »
but how many sponges have you sampled?
How can you dare to call yourself an expert without a proper knowledge base?
Hmm???

i'm new to this e-prime stuff...so right now i'm at a loss other than to tell you to go and fuck yourself  :lol:

Well, RWHN wasn't really responding with e', he was responding with silliness ;-)

to e' your statement:

if your cheesecake tastes like sponge, then you need to shop for better cheesecake.

if your cheesecake tastes like sponge, then you probably need to shop for better cheesecake.

e' doesn't mean that you can't state anything, only that anything you state should be considered as perception, rather than fact.

To take our 'barstool', for example.

A pure subjectivist might argue if the barstool exists or doesn't exist, but e' requires only that you don't categorically state that It IS a barstool and it DOES exist exactly as you perceive it.

Thus, instead of
"We cannot prove that the barstool exists"
e' might say:

"It appears to me that you are sitting on a barstool."
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« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2007, 07:02:27 pm »
but how many sponges have you sampled?
How can you dare to call yourself an expert without a proper knowledge base?
Hmm???

i'm new to this e-prime stuff...so right now i'm at a loss other than to tell you to go and fuck yourself  :lol:

Well, RWHN wasn't really responding with e', he was responding with silliness ;-)

to e' your statement:

if your cheesecake tastes like sponge, then you need to shop for better cheesecake.

if your cheesecake tastes like sponge, then you probably need to shop for better cheesecake.

e' doesn't mean that you can't state anything, only that anything you state should be considered as perception, rather than fact.

To take our 'barstool', for example.

A pure subjectivist might argue if the barstool exists or doesn't exist, but e' requires only that you don't categorically state that It IS a barstool and it DOES exist exactly as you perceive it.

Thus, instead of
"We cannot prove that the barstool exists"
e' might say:

"It appears to me that you are sitting on a barstool."

i was responding to RWHN with silliness also.

(however, thank you for the explanation.)

 :D
 
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« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2007, 07:05:45 pm »
e': self-defeating.

"Language formatted in E' should likely be expressed as a statement of apparent perception, but (probably) not real fact."

which means, of course, there is a chance that language in E' might be stated as absolute, fuck-you-if-you-disagree fact.
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« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2007, 07:09:45 pm »
I can see the need for e' in certain discussions.  But, yeah, it's good to be able to be firm in your beliefs and not wishy washy.  I think.  I dunno, I've had way too much day. 
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« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2007, 07:29:56 pm »
its like a training exercise

it can help people stop exaggerating their self importance

also it helps point out how indefinite things are - especially things that seem definite



its ok to not be certain about things

some people clutch on to theories as fact until the flesh has been burned off their skeleton


and then they are STILL holding on to it


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« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2007, 07:31:34 pm »
i c what u did there.

very nice.   :D
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« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2007, 07:37:10 pm »
Rat:  "Korby"?


That's swote!  (In my opinion).

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« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2007, 08:32:52 pm »
Rat:  "Korby"?


That's swote!  (In my opinion).

It's hella easier than remembering how to spell "Count Alfred Korzybski" every time I want to talk about General Semantics ;-)

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its like a training exercise

I think thats a very good way of describing it. I used it as much as I could possibly get away with (including in various philosophy and religious debate groups) and while it pissed off most people that read it... it seems to have had a continual impact on how I generally write, speak and think now.

For example, I didn't even think about it, but I just said "it seems to have had..." as opposed to "it has had".

I think it may also be useful when you're trying to figure out a particularly knotty set of thoughts as a sort of internal sanity check. I sometimes write something out in e' then translate it into English before posting.... it doesn't end up wishy-washy that way, but it does tend to make the post less dogmatic ;-)

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But, yeah, it's good to be able to be firm in your beliefs

Dear Goddess, in the name of Limbo why would that be good?
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« Reply #26 on: July 13, 2007, 08:40:48 pm »
talking about talking is like thinking about thinking: fucking useless.


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« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2007, 08:41:12 pm »
talking about talking is like thinking about thinking: fucking useless.


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Re: e-prime sucks and so do you.
« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2007, 08:41:30 pm »
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« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2007, 09:22:36 pm »
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But, yeah, it's good to be able to be firm in your beliefs

Dear Goddess, in the name of Limbo why would that be good?

Eh, clumsy wording on my part.  What I was trying to say is that e' is all well and good, but at some point you also have to stand up for your side of things.  It's good for there to be lots of questions, but without statements every now and again you'd have no clue as to where things were going. 
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