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Started by Iron Sulfide, September 16, 2007, 07:00:47 PM

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The Littlest Ubermensch

Well, dead in the way trees are dead in the winter. When the energy and productivity comes back to the forums, I'm sure some of what we were doing with the BIP will come back, but as of now, not much is going on with it. At the least, it's pretty far away from the days of threads getting 6 pages in the space of a few hours, new material being pumped out by the boatload, and planning for rapid expansion. All I can hope for is that at within a few resurrections this stuff will hit a critical mass and all of what we're doing ends up with a way bigger payoff.
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Iron Sulfide

#16
troof to all writ.

i have a few things i'm working on right now, mostly they're in fragments.

a few ideas and a concept, some writing (in it's rough, rudementary form.)

basically, i want to write on the angle of conning pinks. "Madgjickque" in place of "O:MF", basically.
i'm using a heavy sleight of hand metaphor in an attempt to describe the process people go through
(perceptual conditioning, or acculturation, etc) in a BIP shift, on the double tier of Self Awareness of the BIP and breaking out of it, as well as altering other peoples' BIP (i don't know what the consensus is, but advertising strongly suggests this is possible to me.)

example:
imagine you get home from work, unlock your deadbolt, unlock your doorknob, walk in, close the door, sit down on the couch and toss your jacket over the arm of the couch.

you lay back, enjoying this moment of tranquility and reprieve after a tiresome day at the job. then you notice a note on your coffee table that no one could have left there, nothing else in your appartment was touched, etc...and the note just says "hey."

i'm trying to describe the process a person can go through to achieve that effect in another person.

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also, i just started school for the fall, so it'll be slowish to hammer it out with three research papers coming, several small essays and too much unnecessary reading.

but the rigor squeezes out drops of creativity i didn't know were there.
Ya' stupid Yank.

Cain

Sounds interesting.

Also, stage magic may be worth looking into as something to help aid that.  I only really can do minor sleight of hand and card tricks, but with the right props and audience you can sometimes get worthwhile results (I'm more a theatre person than magician, really.  Just sometimes you have a crossover in skills).  In fact, we could really do with a talented stage magician on the boards - illusion and misdirection are key components in a good mindfuck.  Not necessary ones, but useful nonetheless.

Cramulus

I call it Psychic Kung Fu.

there's an example in Illuminatus:

QuoteDrake stared at the plan and shook his head. "Some people will recognize what a pentagon means," he said dubiously.

"They will be dismissed as superstitious cranks. Believe me, this building will be constructed within a few years. It will become the policeman of the world. Nobody will dare question its actions or judgments without being denounced as a traitor. Within thirty years, Mr. Drake, within thirty years, anyone who attempts to restore power to the Congress will be cursed and vilified, not by liberals but by conservatives."

"Holy God," Drake said.

The Grand Master rose and walked to an old-fashioned globe nearly as large as King Kong's head. "Pick a spot, Mr. Drake. Any spot. I guarantee you we will have American troops there within thirty years. The Empire that you dreamed of while reading Tacitus."

Robert Putney Drake felt humbled for an instant, even though he recognized the gimmick: using one single example of telepathy, plucking Tacitus out of his head, to climax the presentation of the incredible dream. At last he understood firsthand the awe that the Illuminati created in both its servitors and its enemies.

LMNO

Quote from: Cain on September 20, 2007, 12:32:13 PM
Sounds interesting.

Also, stage magic may be worth looking into as something to help aid that.  I only really can do minor sleight of hand and card tricks, but with the right props and audience you can sometimes get worthwhile results (I'm more a theatre person than magician, really.  Just sometimes you have a crossover in skills).  In fact, we could really do with a talented stage magician on the boards - illusion and misdirection are key components in a good mindfuck.  Not necessary ones, but useful nonetheless.

This also seems related to the "two man con" in American Gods.

Iron Sulfide

i'm don't do stage type magicianry or "conjuring" "illusionism"-

but really, it's the same principals that you use in effective sleight of hand.
which, when extrapolated into a flexible metaphor, becomes a really good
instrument of thought for deceiving others- or as i like to do, deceive them, and then show them how i did it so they might think a little next time.

here's a snippet, you might like: (it's part of the metaphor i'm working on as a whole)

i divide the whole process into three parts (likened to the traditional "Godhead"- creation, sustenance and destruction...) and rename them "White Power" "Black Magic" and "Grey Matter."

in one basic aspect, Black Magic is "Magic That Works," and represents the creative aspect. it consists largely of tricks of misdirection and subterfuge, the mechanics of re-representing reality in a specific manner. such things include NLP, convincing use of fallacy, manual manipulations (i.e. when enough people flood Wiki articles to start convincing people, etc...) there's a specific sub-category i call the "Dark Art of Zen Sales"- it's basically a crash-course on reading people, "pacing" them (google if you're unfamiliar) and the like- intended for field work where agents of whatever it is we are can jujitsu minds.

White Power is a combination of Colors in a proportion that is balanced and un-refracted (you cannot distinguish one band from another...) it's a metaphor for the aspects one has to account for to pull it all together, and represents the destructive aspect. in short: you don't preform effective magic by just doing a trick, you mix and match techniques by assessing the areas vulnerable to deception and start chipping away...

grey matter is basically YUO. i.e. the ego that is YOURS. it must be maintained. it must be cultivated. it must be (generally or specifically) educated and more things in order to function at top-notch. it is also the synthesis of White Power and Black Magic on it's own, whether you practice white power/black magic or not. Grey Matter is your BIP, and represents the sustain principal. ---> your BIP/EGO is, consciously or unconsciously, an anomaly that occurs between the polarity of your personal tools (black magic) and how you use them (white power.)

still banging the text.
Ya' stupid Yank.

LMNO

You might want to rethink the term "white power".



Just saying.

Cramulus

I like where you're going, Prater.

Triple Zero

Quote from: LMNO on September 21, 2007, 02:02:49 PM
You might want to rethink the term "white power".

i have to admit, it kinda distracted me as well from the actual message of the post.

but apart from that, good stuff
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INFORMATION SO POWERFUL, YOU ACTUALLY NEED LESS.

Payne

White flour? Wife power?

LMNO

If you want to rip off Lou Reed, you can call it "White Light/White Heat".

Iron Sulfide

it's very intentionally White Power.

it targets a symbolic aspect that's supposed to get under peoples skin.

don't act like lollercaust isn't the same allusion.
Ya' stupid Yank.

Triple Zero

if you want to go that way, you should call it white flour.
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Iron Sulfide

White Flower?

i prefer plant analogies when possible.
Ya' stupid Yank.

Cain

Anyway, my plan was to use the BIP Wiki for mindfucks and jakes as well, as these are illustrative in showing a person their situation, as well as being a way to pass a boring afternoon.

Not only will it be more useful than digging through O:MF forum for ideas all the time, it would likely inspire new tricks and mindfucks, especially if we added some from other sites (Improv Everywhere has stuff we could use), and added variations on themes.  Propaganda could be posted there too.  That way, O:MF becomes the forum for ongoing stuff, while the BIP Wiki records what is successful and what works.