BIP WIKI TECH

[AFK]

I fully support this.  Especially as we already have a piece on the Wiki about "Excercises" to keep people fresh and on their toes in their cells.  I think this could work quite nicely. 

[Triple Zero]

however i applaud the idea, because i think it could work,

there is one tiny little warning.

somewhere in the deep dungeons of poee.co.uk (i think) there is some ancient wiki-like (everybody can edit) collection of texts (mostly of the 23PINEALFNORD variety) that nobody ever dares to go near to because it is such a horrible mess of unordered shit that really needs a good weeding out (cause there's also good stuff) but the randomness is too demotivating to get started at it, i think.

of course, current day wiki software is much better at maintaining, ordering, searching and keeping things a bit tidy (even semi-random stuff like uncyclopedia or ED are reasonably well structured), so it'll probably work out fine.

[Cain]

I thought that was www.discordianism.com ?

Sides, Cainad is tight with them.  I'm sure we could flood out their bad stuff with our good (and vice versa)

[Cainad (dec.)]

I thought that was www.discordianism.com ?

Sides, Cainad is tight with them.  I'm sure we could flood out their bad stuff with our good (and vice versa)

Lol. The wiki there doesn't seem to exist anymore, and the last post was ages ago. The most entertaining things on there now are Idem's four or so posts that all say "What" or some variation thereof.

[Cramulus]

What happened to the wiki?

[AFK]

It's still there.  Make sure you use www.blackironprison.com
POEE is undergoing some maintenance currently so you can't access it through the main page. 

[Cramulus]

I meant the wiki at Discoridanism.com

[AFK]

pfft!!!  details, details. 
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[Payne]

It's ok RWHN, we know you're a 'Big Picture' man. Let us handle the details.

[AFK]

Yeah, can someone get me a big pitcher of Root Beer.  I'm thirsty. 

[Cainad (dec.)]

What happened to the wiki?

Please to be attempting to use the following linkification device: www.discordianism.com/wiki

All your redirects are belong to the server! 

[Iron Sulfide]

I fully support this.  Especially as we already have a piece on the Wiki about "Excercises" to keep people fresh and on their toes in their cells.  I think this could work quite nicely. 

if someone is capable of finding/making an ebook of "Astonish Yourself!" by Roger-Pol Droit,
that should be included. it's some french guy. there's 101 "practical mind experiments" in the
book, designed similarly to RAW's exercises in Prometheus Rising (i know the prevalent disdain for RAW, but
shit, Prometheus Rising is a lot more useful than anything we've come up with so far).

[faust]

I want to propose an overhaul of the Wiki.  Moar later.

Overhaul all you want, the BIP is dead.

And to think we had high hopes of magazines and mass movement.

??

The BIP dead?
hahahah
I'll agree that we exhaustively described the metaphor in its current and several alternate formats
but it's not dead. Sometimes you've just said all you can about one topic.

Maybe you missed out on the BIP's most recent development, the revised brochure in my sig. Also last I heard, Faust was working on hosting it on principiadiscordia.com in a similar format to the way the PD is hosted there now.

As for the magazine project:
I feel our lack of forward progress on that front was related to a lack of writers and coherent structure. We spent so long talking about it we ran out of wind. We couldn't agree on what it was going to be (no surprise there), and few people made forward progress, but no one wanted to throw their backs into a project without a coherent goal at the end.

These things grow and evolve over time. Sometimes they need some space and time to grow like a bacteria culture. For example - after all the Lollercaust talk, that project eventually 'died'. Flash forward in time, and I actually put together about 25-35 pages of material. But with little assistance, I lost the energy to do layout & graphics. So it 'died' again. Right now the material is sitting in the WOMP Holding Tank, and when the energy and inspiration occurs, someone else will pick it up. Then if/when it's released there will be a flurry of activity, the positive energy will carry us to other things, and Lollercaust will have 'died' again.

just saw this, yeah I am slowly working away at making the bip into a html document, but am having some trouble with image transparency when setting them behind sections the text.
heres whats done so far:
http://principiadiscordia.com/bip/1.php I am up to page 12 or something.

[Triple Zero]

RAW's exercises in Prometheus Rising (i know the prevalent disdain for RAW, but
shit, Prometheus Rising is a lot more useful than anything we've come up with so far).

(sorry for this offtopic rant but bleah)

i'm having two of my friends read that book now

they're having an INCREDIBLY hard suspending their disbelief long enough to even grasp a small part of the value RAW is trying to bring.

you wouldn't expect it, because you're so familiar with the subject, but the book is quite difficult for those who don't have an idea what he's going to talk about. you need a LOT of goodwill to swallow all the bullshit.

- all references to whatever has to do with "quantum" are simply wrong (yes, all of them, quantum was a very young field when RAW wrote about it), and because these two friends are physicists, this pretty much fills them with rage about the pseudoscientific bullshit. (especially when RAW confuses the story by talking about "quantum jumps" in evolution which is an entirely different meaning of the word quantum)

- for any mind that is trained in critical thinking (against religion, advertising, anything that tried to sell anything through false arguments), alarm bells will continously go off while reading the book. the forms of reasoning RAW uses in the book are very similar to those used by populist politicians, pseudoscience and snakeoil sellers. for example, chapter 1, "what the thinker thinks the prover proves" uses some kind of double-bind technique to get the unbelieving scientific mind into it ("This refers not to you but only to those benighted fools in the opposite camp who refuse to recognize that your theory is the only reasonable one. Of course.")

you won't get away with that kind of reasoning with anyone who has tried a decent stab at disproving pascal's wager (for example)

if you wanna chase away smart people, this is the way to go about it. of course, as someone pointed out before, just like Illuminatus, RAW filled the book with brainwashing tricks. but some of them are so transparent.
it's the constant bombardment with advertisements and propaganda. whereas cabbages might build up a thick skin against this kind of stuff (or their heads would splody), others have developed little alarm bells in their head that ring whenever some dipshit tried this bull on you and simply avoid whatever they have to say.

anybody else recognize that feeling? you read something, and you just "feel" part of the text is just there to convince you instead of simply presenting you the information you want to hear. i deconstruct (and disarm) nearly every ad that comes my way like that.

and then, i hold my heart for when they reach the chapters about the 7th and 8th circuit .. while a nice idea, those things need a LOT of refinement because now they're just vague sketches of .. something. "DNA consciousness"? "Quantum consciousness"? .. sorry.

by the way, just a disclaimer, i loved the book, read it in one go and enjoyed most of it very much but that's just because i knew what i was looking for, and RAWs explanation of the 8 circuits was already quite a lot better than the bullshit i had read about it so far

[LMNO]

It best when you don't give them the book and say, "this has answers!" but instead if you say, "check out some of the ideas this guy has.  Writing style is kind ahack-ish, but there's a few good point in there," it might go better.