The Conspiracy Conspiracy

[Idem]

  Or maybe you're just a dickhead.

[Triple Zero]

9) FUCK YOU MY MOTHER GOT KILLED BY A CONSPIRACY

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I think RAW made a good point when he argued that conspiracies do exist. He pointed out examples of real conspiracies that have been uncovered. However, he argued, since its humans who are involved in the conspiracy, it's doomed to fail or be discovered eventually. Thus, no One World Conspiracy by all of The Important People that has lasted for centuries... just lots of conspiracies by lots of groups that usually exist for awhile then die/disappear/get discovered.

But then, maybe he was part of the conspiracy....

[Cramulus]

you guys are FREAKING ME OUT


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[guest7654]

People tend to forget their freedoms.  They become complacent in their lives.  They allow the government to dictate to them, when in reality, it was intended for us to dictate to them.  Fucking vote.  That is the one thing that we have.  Then be vocal to those that were elected to represent you even if your person doesn't win.  I really don't give a shit if you vote for people that have no chance of winning, but by voting it allows you the opportunity to complain. 

If you are too young to vote, this isn't meant for you.  If you are old enough and don't vote, STFU

Vex,

Sorry for ranting in your thread.

ETA:  The conspiracy does exist, because the people have allowed it to be created by their own stupidity.

Most people would say "a 'right' to complain".  By your choice of words, are you saying that voting against is complaining?  Well, what if your vote doesn't matter?  You say, vote for someone with no chance of winning... but why?  I will not vote, and still complain, because I can always say I voted if someone wants to go there.  Who says I have no opportunity to complain?  I didn't vote in the last two elections, because it wouldn't have mattered anyway; that never stopped me.  I complain all the time.


If the polls showed better than 40%-60% in my state before voting time I probably would vote.  I will however try to persuade and educate people to vote for my gal. 

[DarkStar]

People tend to forget their freedoms.  They become complacent in their lives.  They allow the government to dictate to them, when in reality, it was intended for us to dictate to them.  Fucking vote.  That is the one thing that we have.  Then be vocal to those that were elected to represent you even if your person doesn't win.  I really don't give a shit if you vote for people that have no chance of winning, but by voting it allows you the opportunity to complain. 

If you are too young to vote, this isn't meant for you.  If you are old enough and don't vote, STFU

Vex,

Sorry for ranting in your thread.

ETA:  The conspiracy does exist, because the people have allowed it to be created by their own stupidity.

Most people would say "a 'right' to complain".  By your choice of words, are you saying that voting against is complaining?  Well, what if your vote doesn't matter?  You say, vote for someone with no chance of winning... but why?  I will not vote, and still complain, because I can always say I voted if someone wants to go there.  Who says I have no opportunity to complain?  I didn't vote in the last two elections, because it wouldn't have mattered anyway; that never stopped me.  I complain all the time.


If the polls showed better than 40%-60% in my state before voting time I probably would vote.  I will however try to persuade and educate people to vote for my gal. 

I didn't intend to say voting against is complaining.  Of course you can always complain.  It is your right. But, if/when you get into a discussion about politics and you are complaining about a particular  president with someone who did vote, knowing you didn't, leaves you arguement sort of mute. 

Of course everyone that wants to complain can.  It is one of our freedoms, freedom of speech.  Go for it.

[guest7654]

leaves you argument sort of mute.

only because you have been conditioned to think so.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

leaves you argument sort of mute.

only because you have been conditioned to think so.

Agreed. To think that choosing between the Blue Sellout and the Red Sellout is an actual choice seems more a product of good civics classes, rather than good government/politics

I do vote, when I think it matters. For example, in 2004 I voted everything BUT republican because I feared another 2 years with the Republicans in full control. I didn't think for a second that the idiots I was voting for would represent my views... only that they'd do their best to keep Bush from doing anything (which at this point seems like a good idea to me). As for my political views, no one in the US represents them, because the popular view of government has far exceeded anything that our Constitution was designed to deal with. Show me a party that thinks it's time to rewrite to Constitution and I may be interested (Hell, our 'founding fathers' expected the damn thing to be scrapped and rewritten regularly).

So if I don't vote, its because my views aren't represented. If I do vote, its usually because I'm registering a strong position AGAINST some idiot incumbent.

It's too bad more people weren't aware of the class that RAW ran before he died: "Non-Euclidean Politics, A View From Neither Left or Right". It's really something to see how many 'other' options are out there.