Creativity is free

[Cain]

Hah, yes.  Something along those lines was what I was thinking.

The problem becomes, what is the incentive to buy instead of steal?

I suppose the people controlling the anonymous banking could poison the potential free downloads there are by spreading viruses, trojans and fake goods via torrent sites etc, meanwhile quietly promoting their own as having none of those problems because they are committed to quality service.

[Diseris]

Can there be anonymous anything with the current "camera on every corner" agendas?

The Rep's were against this pre-911, but in the post-911 US there is no real voice against the insertion of cameras everywhere.  The people have chosen security over liberty...

[Cain]

Happened over here as well, from about 1997 in.  I suppose the answer we are moving towards is a data haven, a la The Cyptonomicon.  Many governments have found benefits in supporting groups who officially act outside of the law.  The most obvious example is the Russian Business Network, who were behind the bot attacks on Chechen and Estonian websites (as well as hosting practically every sort of criminal enterprise you care to name), but even in the USA you had the Iran-Contra crew whose illegal actions benefitted government policy, although in a far more low-tech way.

The problem is, such countries are going to want to use your network for their own ends, and have the legal/military means to make you comply.  The obvious solution is then a neutral government.  But if a government is neutral, it probably will not look the other way while its laws are subverted.  In which case you're hoping for an extremely enlightened government somewhere, or a place where the state has virtually no control.

[Epimetheus]

http://www.scripting.com/stories/2007/11/30/theHollywoodWritersStrike.html

I don't ask to be paid for my writing. I haven't been paid for writing software in a very long time, but I keep doing it. Yet I look in my bank account, and somehow the balance keeps going up. In the end, that's all that matters. 

If only it always worked that way...

I like the idea of creativity being free, but I also like the possibility that I can get paid for what I'm good at and like to do, rather than separate my life into time spent being creative, and time spent trying to survive.

qft

[Reginald Ret]

but I also like the possibility that I can get paid for what I'm good at and like to do,

And i would like getting a golden toilet seat.
wanting something doesn't give you the right to get it, its an argument i hear everytime i try to explain that its silly to pay for something they wouldn't want to buy back(i.e. every form of information, copyrighted stuff, inventions logo's/symbols, ideas, stories etc) Why would you pay for using a idea someone else had first? are you supposed to remove the memory if you can't pay? why not use a technique you know jsut because you haven't paid the one who came up with it?

ehmmm damn got into a bit of a rant there, besides most of y'all probably already think the same.


edit:
damn just read a part of this assasination politics, sounds like a good idea but how feasible is it?
planning to read the rest when i have more time.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

but I also like the possibility that I can get paid for what I'm good at and like to do,

And i would like getting a golden toilet seat.
wanting something doesn't give you the right to get it, its an argument i hear everytime i try to explain that its silly to pay for something they wouldn't want to buy back(i.e. every form of information, copyrighted stuff, inventions logo's/symbols, ideas, stories etc) Why would you pay for using a idea someone else had first? are you supposed to remove the memory if you can't pay? why not use a technique you know jsut because you haven't paid the one who came up with it?

Um I think that his point was that as the creator of something he doesn't feel bad about selling it. Maybe not. It's certainly how I feel about my work though... creativity is free for the creative.

I totally agree that creativity is free, doesn't mean other people's art is free, or should be, though. If we want creative people to have time to be creative, they got to get paid, son.

[gathabloodline]

If creativity should be free, then we should all be unthinking zombies in the work place. Don't even be creative enough to lift a hand. What one person sees as being dull, may be enjoyable to another, for example some people actually enjoy filing, but not everyone enjoys being creative. But no one enjoys watching anyone file.

And simply because being creative is so enjoyable to a media whore nation, doen't mean it should be a charity. you don't simpply give people food because they are hungry, or because it is right, but because you want to and can do it without starving yourself in the process. so whatever anyone decides, i will have to stare attentively, not giving two shits or allowing it to happen, because i wouldn't stop it if i could.

I will give a bum a dime if he can make me laugh. Nothing against bums, but nothing for them if they don't prove to me they are doing what they want with their lives. I love bums who love themselves.

[Xooxe]

I totally agree that creativity is free, doesn't mean other people's art is free, or should be, though. If we want creative people to have time to be creative, they got to get paid, son.

Cool. Write me a cheque?

[B_M_W]

creativity is free for the creative.

and if you don't think you are creative, its because you aren't looking at things right, or you've been suppressed and beaten into thinking you lack it.

Also, never appologize for inspiration. Ever.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Time = Money

You take time to do something and somebody wants it - bill them.

[Triple Zero]

Also, never appologize for inspiration. Ever.

what do you mean?

never apologize for lack of inspiration?

cause a few years back i was doing this commissioned work for some 13-14 cartoons, one for every study/faculty of the exact sciences on my university, it was deadline day because the next day i was going on holidays to Prague ..
after the 10th cartoon or so i was seriously scraping the bottom of the barrel when it came to inspiration for any sort of funny and i had to call in all the help-troops, which meant bugging any sort of person that was still online at that time of night for ideas and using obscene brainstorming techniques such as Tarot cards (no drugs, at 5am weed and alcohol just makes me sleepy and coffee kills my ability to draw accurately).

ok, so i managed to do it, but at the end it was mostly because of some hardcore sense of duty (oh, and 250 euros + exposure) than any kind of left over inspiration

forced funny is always a good kind of funny

that oneliner should go into the lollercaust. i think RWHN knows what i'm talking about here.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I totally agree that creativity is free, doesn't mean other people's art is free, or should be, though. If we want creative people to have time to be creative, they got to get paid, son.

Cool. Write me a cheque?

Get your ass out there and sell it like the other paid artists do.

[Shit]

I have a feeling that as we progress into the future, creative art careers will become something more and more people do.  Why?  Because robotics will replace more and more of our more menial jobs eventually.  Robotics and the arts will be the two major careers, along with healthcare, permaculture, and the peace corps.  Someday we'll master a more paradisical world, provided we don't blow the thing up.

[Reginald Ret]

Um I think that his point was that as the creator of something he doesn't feel bad about selling it. Maybe not. It's certainly how I feel about my work though... creativity is free for the creative.

Oh i might have read a bit too much in it then, i thought he expected to get paid for it. If he manages to trick people in giving him money more power to him but creating a system where you have to pay to use an idea just because somebody else had it first is silly.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Um I think that his point was that as the creator of something he doesn't feel bad about selling it. Maybe not. It's certainly how I feel about my work though... creativity is free for the creative.

Oh i might have read a bit too much in it then, i thought he expected to get paid for it. If he manages to trick people in giving him money more power to him but creating a system where you have to pay to use an idea just because somebody else had it first is silly.

Huh, I don't know, I believe in copyright and not plagiarizing and stuff.