Fuck Advertising

[AFK]

If I could do one thing, it would be to make broadcast entertainment impossible.

um...

My kids watch all kinds of videos, including Spongebob, which I personally love.

lolwut?

I knew someone would make that erroneous connection. I'm not against recorded videos or movies. Videotapes and DVDs != broadcast. Duh.

Are you kidding?  So many people today use Tivo and DVR's, so essentially, they are doing the same thing you are doing.  Watching broadcast television at their convenience.  I think you're splitting some hairs here. 

Even if you aren't, you seem to be not arguing against the contenct of broadcast entertainment, just when it is consumed.  You seem to be suggesting that videos are good because you can control when they are viewed.

You are aware of a fancy little device called the off button, correct?

[Cramulus]

Can someone bump the allly/nemesis chart?

[AFK]

Why would I help a maybe nemesis?   

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

If I could do one thing, it would be to make broadcast entertainment impossible.

um...

My kids watch all kinds of videos, including Spongebob, which I personally love.

lolwut?

I knew someone would make that erroneous connection. I'm not against recorded videos or movies. Videotapes and DVDs != broadcast. Duh.

Are you kidding?  So many people today use Tivo and DVR's, so essentially, they are doing the same thing you are doing.  Watching broadcast television at their convenience.  I think you're splitting some hairs here. 

Even if you aren't, you seem to be not arguing against the contenct of broadcast entertainment, just when it is consumed.  You seem to be suggesting that videos are good because you can control when they are viewed.

You are aware of a fancy little device called the off button, correct?

You are completely unaware of my point, assuming I have one, and I am completely too lazy to restate it. Also i'm going to have a seizure shortly so I don't care.

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There's missing the forest for the trees, Nigel.

And then there's missing the rotting oak over your house for the weeds that grow in its shade.



OMG! DANDELIONS!
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MY CHILDRENS COULD CHOKE ON THEM!

[LMNO]

Ok, here's what Nigel had to say since the beginning of the thread.

Hm. I'm opposed to corporatism and the mind-control of the masses by giant corporate interests who want us fat and insecure so we'll buy whatever bullshit they're pimping in place of happiness, but as a person who has to sell their shit in order to live, without advertising in its most straightforward form, my children and I would starve.

The corporate advertising machine is bad. Advertising itself is just a tool.

Advertising is not inherently good or evil: it is just a tool.

I do not, by any stretch of the imagination, make anything people "need" except perhaps on some basic magpie level. However, I also don't try to convince them or brainwash them into believing that they "need" beads and marbles. I think that's where the corporate advertising machine crosses the line into evil... when it collaborates with the media of insecurity to brainwash people into believing they "need" things in order to make them happy, rather than merely showing them a product and hoping someone out there wants it.

[snipped: "intelligence is genetic", et al]

If I could do one thing, it would be to make broadcast entertainment impossible. Actually; that's not true. It would be to invent teleportation, and after that it would be to invent a perfect battery. After that, to fly, and to be able to change sex at will. But somewhere after that it would definitely be to make broadcast entertainment impossible.

Where you slipped up is when you shifted from the evils of Advertising to the medium which contains the advertising.

There's nothing wrong with broadcast entertainment, as you watch Spongebob.  It seems you have a problem with the advertising.

Which no one would really argue against.





Either way, it seems you pwned yourself.

[Cain]

Um....

SPONGEBOB "ADVERTISES" THE GAY LIFESTYLE!

[LMNO]

OSHI-

[hunter s.durden]

It seems you have a problem with the advertising.

Which no one would really argue against.

Ahem.

Necessary Evil.

If I can't tell you about my new Nike Robo's, with UltraTech Shock Absorber, what right do you have to tell me about your band, or your position on campaign reform?

This post brought to you by Nike.

[LMNO]

Advertising can be either awareness and informative, or it can be fraudulent and appeal to bias and emotion.

It's the latter I have a problem with.

[P3nT4gR4m]

It seems you have a problem with the advertising.

Which no one would really argue against.

Ahem.

Necessary Evil.

If I can't tell you about my new Nike Robo's, with UltraTech Shock Absorber, what right do you have to tell me about your band, or your position on campaign reform?

This post brought to you by Nike.

TITCM!

Advertising reminds me of free speech, in that respect.

Which I suppose it is merely an aspect of if you choose to see it that way.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Advertising can be either awareness and informative, or it can be fraudulent and appeal to bias and emotion.

It's the latter I have a problem with.

I don't have a problem with the latter. It seems to me its stupid people who suffer most from it.

What's bad for the stoopids is good for the lulz 

[Cain]

Advertising can be either awareness and informative, or it can be fraudulent and appeal to bias and emotion.

It's the latter I have a problem with.

Precisely.  Letting me know about a product I may like is perfectly fine in my book.  Trying to use my mammalian insticts to make me purchase or form irrational attachments to it are another matter entirely.

[AFK]

Advertising certainly can have impacts for good, PSA's and for ill, (my earlier example of Rx drug advertising).  If there is anything to do to combat the ills (if that is necessary) it's all about awareness.  The more people understand how advertising works, the less it will work.  

[hunter s.durden]

Advertising can be either awareness and informative, or it can be fraudulent and appeal to bias and emotion.

Again I ask: Who makes this judgement call? You? George Bush? Pauly Shore?

The point of free speech is that we get it all and we make the call. Fox News spins the shit out of every story to make heros out of who they like and villains out of the rest. Why aren't we all NeoCons? We see through it.

I don't trust anyone with the responsibility of telling me what I need to see, and what techniques my fragile mammalian psyche can't handle. Just give all to me and I'll decide for myself.