Does the BIP actually change who we *are*?

[hunter s.durden]

Recovery rates go by 1/3rds: 1/3 fully recover, 1/3 improve but don't fully recover, 1/3 show little to no improvement. In every single source I've ever seen, it's almost accepted as Gospel.

http://www.world-schizophrenia.org/disorders/schizophrenia.html

I don't take meds, but I'm probably a rarity (14 month since last hospitalization,you can judge how good that is).

[LMNO]

Yeah.  I wish there was more hard evidence.

One of the reasons my brother believes the scientology mumbo-jumbo is because his disorder cleared up around the same time as he started the Co$ stuff.


Coincidental "cures" are coincidental... OR ARE THEY?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Yeah.  I wish there was more hard evidence.

One of the reasons my brother believes the scientology mumbo-jumbo is because his disorder cleared up around the same time as he started the Co$ stuff.


Coincidental "cures" are coincidental... OR ARE THEY?

Forms of psychology are forms of psychology. While CoS has cultlike beliefs, practices and a decent body count... they also have a map of the territory that shows the territory in a way that seems to work for some people. Jehovah's Witnesses have the same 'feature'... sure their religion is baloney, but all religion is baloney. The reason CoS and JW"s have ANY following is because their map 'works' in some sense for some people. Unfortunately, their map was drawn using lead paint...

[LMNO]

Actually, what I'ms saying is that my brother went off meds due to the Co$ belief system, and when he didn't suffer another psychotic break, this "proved" to him that scientology is right.

[hunter s.durden]

Yeah.  I wish there was more hard evidence.

You're going to be disappointed, because if something works, it works. You can't really tell him "Hey, your symptoms didn't really go latent, it's just in your head."

You don't need data on schizophrenia, you need data from the guys that broke the church's hold over them. They are the best weapon in uncovering Xenu's bullshit.

Also, give it time: When I said latent I meant it. Not cured. The psychosomatic hold that their little brainwashing has probably won't last forever.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Yeah.  I wish there was more hard evidence.

You're going to be disappointed, because if something works, it works. You can't really tell him "Hey, your symptoms didn't really go latent, it's just in your head."

You don't need data on schizophrenia, you need data from the guys that broke the church's hold over them. They are the best weapon in uncovering Xenu's bullshit.

Also, give it time: When I said latent I meant it. Not cured. The psychosomatic hold that their little brainwashing has probably won't last forever.

This also may be a correct motorcycle...

then again, if brain change and BiP's are anything other than fapping... it may be that some mental illnesses could be treated/covered/locked up. Certainly some psychologists have been able to treat several different illnesses without using drugs, so at least some brain change models seem to work. After all, changing the BiP could take you from a cell with a broken window to solitary confinement... the broken window wouldn't be a problem anymore.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Actually, what I'ms saying is that my brother went off meds due to the Co$ belief system, and when he didn't suffer another psychotic break, this "proved" to him that scientology is right.

Never underestimate the placebo effect when it comes to mental disorder.

Chemical imbalances aside, programming/imprinting is almost 100% Belief oriented.

If he put his faith in any reasonably coherent* map then his mental territory would stand a strong chance of falling into line.

*coherent to him

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Actually, what I'ms saying is that my brother went off meds due to the Co$ belief system, and when he didn't suffer another psychotic break, this "proved" to him that scientology is right.

Never underestimate the placebo effect when it comes to mental disorder.

Chemical imbalances aside, programming/imprinting is almost 100% Belief oriented.

If he put his faith in any reasonably coherent* map then his mental territory would stand a strong chance of falling into line.

*coherent to him

Damn, that's a fine motorized Unicycle you got there Silly!!!

[P3nT4gR4m]

Learned the hard way 

[LMNO]

It almost makes me wish he found Jesus instead.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

It almost makes me wish he found Jesus instead.

Nah... don't think that a popular cult is better than an unpopular one.

Look at it this way:

Christians hold that we are all FUCKED, ALL SINNERS from Birth and all deserving to DIE from the moment we first breathe. They posit that without the blood of a 2000 year-dead Jew (which you only get by following their rules), God will hold us personally responsible for our sins and "The wages sin pays, is death".

Scifags hold that we are all NEARLY FUCKED, because of alien souls and other assorted nonsense. They posit that without spending some $$ and improving yourself then you will not get 'better'.

If it weren't for the murder and pillaging, they'd have a pretty positive psychological model.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Fuck that shit! Religion is no place for positive messages 

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Fuck that shit! Religion is no place for positive messages 

I agree...

But, really, the whole Dying God thing is just as bad a trip as Xenu, IMO anyway.

[hunter s.durden]

I'd agree, if it weren't for the money/danger issue.

Remember, there are many ways to be Christian, only one way to be a SciFag.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I'd agree, if it weren't for the money/danger issue.

Remember, there are many ways to be Christian, only one way to be a SciFag.

Oh yes, as I said... if it were not for the murder and pillaging