TRANSMISSIONS FROM ARIZONA

[The Good Reverend Roger]

No i really was trying to point out that you used a logical fallacy, which you did.  I should have said it more directly.

No, I fucking didn't, you pathetic liar.

You dropped his name.  It has the exact same effect.

But it is NOT the same fucking thing.  Please try to be more honest.

You don't need to spell things out by trying to sneak the cheap shot by, just stop doing it if you want to have a real discussion. 

Who says I want to have a real discussion?  I'm just here to fuck with you nonstop for the ignorant fucking post you kicked this all off with.  When I'm done fucking with you for that, I'll let you know.  That should only take a couple of years.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

This still has nothing to do with me.

Sure it does.

If i could think of any other example how you are part of the Machine, i would use it.  But we both already know you are, no need to prove it.

How convenient. 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I lost all interest in this when i remembered the us military is completely unnecessary

Not totally unnecessary.

If there was no Marine Corps, how would PL ever force people to listen to his "rants" and "mindfucks"?

[Nast]

I am a tool of the government.  I'm supposed to be the last tool they use, but oh well.  As far as being a tool of the military, the military is comprised of many people, each with their own agenda.  As a singular entity the military's only goal is to continue to exist, just like one of those memetic entity things you guys talk about.

I'm glad that we've established that you're a tool of something.
Maybe we can work on it.

Yea you're right.  I value ABSTRACTIONS over humanity.  Like people who support capital punishment may value Justice or Revenge over the life (humanity) of a murderer or rapist.  The justice system isn't perfect and innocent people may be imprisoned for life or even executed.  Military intelligence is even more fallible, yet we make the best with what we got.  The majority of my targets with 100% certainty were the enemy and were guilty, as for the coordinates of targets on the ground that i may have passed to a pilot... well.  I hope that man with the radio with eyes on target who told me they were bad guys, isn't a sick man.  I protect assets that make America powerful, human and non-human.  That is what i do.

Did I mention before that this was getting tedious?
So you kill people because you have a job to do, and that's more important than other people.
Great.

I addressed what i fight for in a previous post and i restated it just now... our strength.  If the government will use that strength i provide and secure and use it for unjust causes, take that up with the oligarch that YOU elected.  If you didnt elect him, oh well, that's democracy for you.

I don't care what you fight for. I really, really don't care. It's all the same, anyway.

No, No, and I'm not sure... what do your fellow board members think?

I'm sure you know what they think by now.

Does that help? Because I didn't feel as if responding, because all of this seems dreadfully tedious to me.

[Pope Lecherous]

No i really was trying to point out that you used a logical fallacy, which you did.  I should have said it more directly.

No, I fucking didn't, you pathetic liar.

You used two different ones. Guilt by Association (an ad hominem) and red herrings, many times actually.  A red herring is when you introduce something non-sequitur to distract from the argument instead of acknowledging or refuting it.

You dropped his name.  It has the exact same effect.

But it is NOT the same fucking thing.  Please try to be more honest.

Well then i guess thats more of a subject change if it doesn't try to associate me with the dumbass rush limbaugh.

You don't need to spell things out by trying to sneak the cheap shot by, just stop doing it if you want to have a real discussion.  

Who says I want to have a real discussion?  I'm just here to fuck with you nonstop for the ignorant fucking post you kicked this all off with.  When I'm done fucking with you for that, I'll let you know.  That should only take a couple of years.

We could have never had this level of debate had it not been for that.  We wouldnt even be talking about this.

If there was no Marine Corps, how would PL ever force people to listen to his "rants" and "mindfucks"?

I couldn't.  I would have to post up mysterious flyers and hand out pamphlets like anyother missionary.

[Nast]

It's kind of like when you see those people from third world countries, and there are so many flies around that they don't even bother shooing them away anymore.

It's like that, but instead of flies it's horrible circular logic.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

You used two different ones. Guilt by Association (an ad hominem) and red herrings, many times actually.  A red herring is when you introduce something non-sequitur to distract from the argument instead of acknowledging or refuting it.

Quit your lying, dittohead.

We could have never had this level of debate had it not been for that.  We wouldnt even be talking about this.

It's more fun when I let you think we're actually gonna discuss something.

Fact is, you tried to kick me when you thought I was down.  Problem was, I had just gotten up the day before.

Bad timing.

And then you tried to play it off like it wasn't a sleazy attack.  Now, I was born in the dark, but it wasn't last night.

Then, of course, you decided to hit below the belt and try to involve my family, by implicating that I was ignoring them (without, of course, having any idea what my current situation is), as if it was any of your fucking business anyway.

Now I'm going to take all that out of your figurative hide.  For about two years or so.

TGRR,
Invented the grudge.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It's like that, but instead of flies it's horrible circular logic.

It's turtles all the way down!   

[Pope Lecherous]

So you kill people because you have a job to do, and that's more important than other people.
Great.

So on this point we have a fundamental disagreement in values.  You said you value humans above abstract concepts.  I think that if someone must die if good will be achieved than all is well.  I used capital punishment as an example to back me up.  You said great.

I don't care what you fight for. I really, really don't care. It's all the same, anyway.

So you just don't want me to kill people i am certain are attacking America's assets, because you value human life above anything else?  That is a product of the value set you introduced.  Do you agree with this statement or disagree?

Does that help? Because I didn't feel as if responding, because all of this seems dreadfully tedious to me.

After all I can't tell you what to do, you are not in my charge, and you do not have to read this.  Or did a value you hold compel you to respond?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

After all I can't tell you what to do, you are not in my charge, and you do not have to read this.

Good Lord, you're revolting.

[Pope Lecherous]

After all I can't tell you what to do, you are not in my charge, and you do not have to read this.

Good Lord, you're revolting.

So is your pettiness.  Enjoy your day, night or whatever time it is over there.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

After all I can't tell you what to do, you are not in my charge, and you do not have to read this.

Good Lord, you're revolting.

So is your pettiness.  Enjoy your day, night or whatever time it is over there.

Yeah, whatever.  Fuck off.

[Nast]

So on this point we have a fundamental disagreement in values.  You said you value humans above abstract concepts.  I think that if someone must die if good will be achieved than all is well.  I used capital punishment as an example to back me up.  You said great.

I sure did. And I said it in a tone that was meant to be taken sarcastically.

So you just don't want me to kill people i am certain are attacking America's assets, because you value human life above anything else?  That is a product of the value set you introduced.  Do you agree with this statement or disagree?

Yes, I believe that people are more important than abstractions. I also believe that treating people like they're not people - like they're even lower than abstractions - is also wrong.
Pardon me if I hold values.

After all I can't tell you what to do, you are not in my charge, and you do not have to read this.  Or did a value you hold compel you to respond?

It's more of a form of entertainment than any sort of obligation I feel towards you.
By all means, continue.

[Faust]

I too believe peoples lives are less important then The Greater Good. Lets kill everyone and see how much we can improve our precious abstract concepts.

[Pope Lecherous]

So you just don't want me to kill people i am certain are attacking America's assets, because you value human life above anything else?  That is a product of the value set you introduced.  Do you agree with this statement or disagree?

Yes, I believe that people are more important than abstractions. I also believe that treating people like they're not people - like they're even lower than abstractions - is also wrong.
Pardon me if I hold values.

I value life as well, so if someone is trying to take it from an American during war, i could kill such a person.  Than there is nothing here to debate.  You hold human life above all, so you could not kill a murderer or rapist for the good of the community?  How about in defense of your own life?  That's a paradox.