TRANSMISSIONS FROM ARIZONA

[Cramulus]

 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

and

[Verbal Mike]

[Cain]

EVEN MORE SERIOUS. DEADLY, EVEN

Oh Christ, that was brilliant.

       

[Cain]

Srsly though, if I saw this, I'd be bricking it.  I just finished reading about the battle for Fallujah in Jeremy Scahill's book on Blackwater and, well...lets just say I'd be out of that area in record time, and it'd go badly for anyone trying to stop me.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Just imagine if it was YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

[Cain]

I did.  And then I laughed at the idea of thousands of snotty students getting shot at and bombed by Marines.

[Pope Lecherous]

PROTIP for PL:  Just because YUO don't see something happening doesn't mean it isn't happening.

And really you should know that.

You have no idea what the individuals on this board do in their personal lives.  What happens on these forums, on an individual basis, is such a small percentage of the real people.  It's rather disheartening that someone who supposedly embraces Discordian ideals and philosophies would generalize and assume much about people he does not know outside the internet.  Seems very judgemental and assuming if you ask me.

Yet, you have reduced the PD.COM membership to trolling and handing out flyers.  Yet, what you don't see is our interactions with IRL people.  You don't hear our conversations with others.  You know JACK SQUAT about what impact we may or may not have in our individual lives. 

So seriously, you need to stop with the assumptions and generalizations.  It's not very becoming, and, IMO, it certainly isn't a very Discordian thing to do. 

Suppose GW is doing the right thing, to save America in the long run.  I DONT KNOW AND NEITHER DO YOU.  Often times these things are not written in the history books, even if he is hated and labeled by history as the ruiner of the American economy for many years,  only the players involved in this game will ever know the truth.  Reserve your judgement, because you are not involved in any of the decisions he has to make BASED ON INFORMATION YOU DO NOT KNOW.

Remember when i said that a little while ago?  Now it's kind of ironic you say judging people you do not know is very Un-Discordian, because that's what most people posting in this thread have done.  ADMIT IT.  You only know the president through electronic means... the media.  I wasn't defending him as a person or what you think he's doing "on the side" of being the commander in chief, i was defending his right not to be Declared Guilty by a forum of Judgemental Discordians who tell others not to be judgmental of THEM.  Me being critical of the methods you use to mindfuck people have led you to tell me not to judge you, because i dont know you in real life.  You are not part of GW's life and you do not understand what decisions he has to make and you dont know the information he uses to make these decisions.  Think about that for a minute.

On this board there are people that are young and think they know everything.  They are wrong.  On this board there are old people that "know" they know everything, but they are also wrong.  My image of the ideal Discordian is smart enough to recognize he does not know everything, and as a result doesnt not make judgements prematurely about people they don't know.... LIKE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.  Can you just admit you don't know the whole situation the president has to deal with?  Can you admit that you do not know him, and that you shold reserve Judgement?

[Cain]

No, in short.

Firstly because implies he is an impartial observer, which is so patently false as to be laughable.  He has a view of how the world should be, and warps the facts to fit his ideological preconceptions.  This is a pattern he has established over a lifetime, but especially in the last 8 years.

Secondly, its my right to second-guess people who "have the facts".  I in fact did that as a job for several months, second-guessing the security services, oil contractors and government policy makers.  What's more, I did a fairly damn decent job of it, because I approached it using new models that the people in question did not, and was not beholden to either government policy, the bottom line, or any other constraints except facts.

[Pope Lecherous]

Pope Naughty Nasturtiums,
You do value something more than human life, you just didnt realize it or don't have a name for it.   I can demonstrate to you that you value something higher than human life.

[Pope Lecherous]

No, in short.

Firstly because implies he is an impartial observer, which is so patently false as to be laughable.  He has a view of how the world should be, and warps the facts to fit his ideological preconceptions.  This is a pattern he has established over a lifetime, but especially in the last 8 years.

Secondly, its my right to second-guess people who "have the facts".  I in fact did that as a job for several months, second-guessing the security services, oil contractors and government policy makers.  What's more, I did a fairly damn decent job of it, because I approached it using new models that the people in question did not, and was not beholden to either government policy, the bottom line, or any other constraints except facts.

Cain, what you have done is not exactly judgement as we were referring to.  What you have done is the moral obligation of a responsible citizen.  Judgement is what other people have done when they say George Bush is evil.  That's the kind of judgement that others should reserve until after all is said and done.  What you are doing is putting him on trial and that is good.  That is exactly what needs to be done.  You are acting similar to a Judge in an American court room weighing the facts, except you have gathered the evidence yourself.  The rest of the board is acting as the prosecutor and Judge, without "gathering facts" but by listening to the media and people like Michael Moore.  Still though, what RWHN said holds true.  Judgement should be reserved until the trial is over, because we don't know what's happening behind the scenes.  I'm saying everyone that has been bashing the president does not need to take his back, but should reserve Judgement until the trial is over.  People like yourself Cain, are starting the trial and asking him the tough questions to see if he really is guilty of something.  Whether you "know" he's guilty or not, judgement should be reserved until the trial has been concluded.

[Jenne]

Dude...you DIDN'T just say you think Bush is in the right...

Wow.

WMD's, Axis of Evil, pandering to Saudis, creating a headless Iraq, leaving Afghanistan to the wolves, etc etc...none of this gets through to you?

Damn.  That's some powerful KoolAid they serve in the military these days.

[AFK]

PROTIP for PL:  Just because YUO don't see something happening doesn't mean it isn't happening.

And really you should know that.

You have no idea what the individuals on this board do in their personal lives.  What happens on these forums, on an individual basis, is such a small percentage of the real people.  It's rather disheartening that someone who supposedly embraces Discordian ideals and philosophies would generalize and assume much about people he does not know outside the internet.  Seems very judgemental and assuming if you ask me.

Yet, you have reduced the PD.COM membership to trolling and handing out flyers.  Yet, what you don't see is our interactions with IRL people.  You don't hear our conversations with others.  You know JACK SQUAT about what impact we may or may not have in our individual lives. 

So seriously, you need to stop with the assumptions and generalizations.  It's not very becoming, and, IMO, it certainly isn't a very Discordian thing to do. 

Suppose GW is doing the right thing, to save America in the long run.  I DONT KNOW AND NEITHER DO YOU.  Often times these things are not written in the history books, even if he is hated and labeled by history as the ruiner of the American economy for many years,  only the players involved in this game will ever know the truth.  Reserve your judgement, because you are not involved in any of the decisions he has to make BASED ON INFORMATION YOU DO NOT KNOW.

Remember when i said that a little while ago?  Now it's kind of ironic you say judging people you do not know is very Un-Discordian, because that's what most people posting in this thread have done.  ADMIT IT.  You only know the president through electronic means... the media.  I wasn't defending him as a person or what you think he's doing "on the side" of being the commander in chief, i was defending his right not to be Declared Guilty by a forum of Judgemental Discordians who tell others not to be judgmental of THEM.  Me being critical of the methods you use to mindfuck people have led you to tell me not to judge you, because i dont know you in real life.  You are not part of GW's life and you do not understand what decisions he has to make and you dont know the information he uses to make these decisions.  Think about that for a minute.

On this board there are people that are young and think they know everything.  They are wrong.  On this board there are old people that "know" they know everything, but they are also wrong.  My image of the ideal Discordian is smart enough to recognize he does not know everything, and as a result doesnt not make judgements prematurely about people they don't know.... LIKE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.  Can you just admit you don't know the whole situation the president has to deal with?  Can you admit that you do not know him, and that you shold reserve Judgement?

Umm, I haven't been a part of the whole George Bush/War arc of this thread so keep me the fuck out of it.  I was responding to your assumption about what people on this board do or don't do in their individual lives.  So have your little tete-a-tete with the others about The War on Terra, but if you are going to respond to me, please respond to me about what I say, not what others have said.  

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

PROTIP for PL:  Just because YUO don't see something happening doesn't mean it isn't happening.

And really you should know that.

You have no idea what the individuals on this board do in their personal lives.  What happens on these forums, on an individual basis, is such a small percentage of the real people.  It's rather disheartening that someone who supposedly embraces Discordian ideals and philosophies would generalize and assume much about people he does not know outside the internet.  Seems very judgemental and assuming if you ask me.

Yet, you have reduced the PD.COM membership to trolling and handing out flyers.  Yet, what you don't see is our interactions with IRL people.  You don't hear our conversations with others.  You know JACK SQUAT about what impact we may or may not have in our individual lives. 

So seriously, you need to stop with the assumptions and generalizations.  It's not very becoming, and, IMO, it certainly isn't a very Discordian thing to do. 

Suppose GW is doing the right thing, to save America in the long run.  I DONT KNOW AND NEITHER DO YOU.  Often times these things are not written in the history books, even if he is hated and labeled by history as the ruiner of the American economy for many years,  only the players involved in this game will ever know the truth.  Reserve your judgement, because you are not involved in any of the decisions he has to make BASED ON INFORMATION YOU DO NOT KNOW.

Remember when i said that a little while ago?  Now it's kind of ironic you say judging people you do not know is very Un-Discordian, because that's what most people posting in this thread have done.  ADMIT IT.  You only know the president through electronic means... the media.  I wasn't defending him as a person or what you think he's doing "on the side" of being the commander in chief, i was defending his right not to be Declared Guilty by a forum of Judgemental Discordians who tell others not to be judgmental of THEM.  Me being critical of the methods you use to mindfuck people have led you to tell me not to judge you, because i dont know you in real life.  You are not part of GW's life and you do not understand what decisions he has to make and you dont know the information he uses to make these decisions.  Think about that for a minute.

On this board there are people that are young and think they know everything.  They are wrong.  On this board there are old people that "know" they know everything, but they are also wrong.  My image of the ideal Discordian is smart enough to recognize he does not know everything, and as a result doesnt not make judgements prematurely about people they don't know.... LIKE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.  Can you just admit you don't know the whole situation the president has to deal with?  Can you admit that you do not know him, and that you shold reserve Judgement?

Enough data is available at this point, that we can justly question the credibility of the Administration. We now KNOW that the Administration cherry picked intelligence, we know that they ignored intel which didn't fit their narrative. We KNOW that the military had run through the war games and recommended a very different approach to any potential Iraqi invasion. We now KNOW that there was no Al Queda in Iraq before the invasion. We now KNOW that Saddam had nothing to do with Bin Laden. We now KNOW that Saddam had no WMD's nor any programs actively working to get them.

GWB may believe he's doing the right thing... but there is, by far, enough publicly available information to call into question his credibility, judgment and honesty. When the administration has screwed up in dealing with EVERYTHING we have knowledge about, trying to play the "Well, you don't know everything" card is a canard. The war in Iraq has no direct correlation with 9/11, Bin Laden or terrorism. There was no threat, there was a crazy dictator, locked in his own country and who posed no real risk. The real risk comes from the crazy, dangerous terrorists, whom we've let wander off into Pakistan while we completely fucked a random country that had no real value to us.

Sorry, that baby shit doesn't fly.

[Pope Lecherous]

Umm, I haven't been a part of the whole George Bush/War arc of this thread so keep me the fuck out of it.  I was responding to your assumption about what people on this board do or don't do in their individual lives.  So have your little tete-a-tete with the others about The War on Terra, but if you are going to respond to me, please respond to me about what I say, not what others have said. 

That's right.  You also said i was being judgemental and that's Un-Discordian.  You're also right about that.  However, this applies to everyone else that was being judgemental of GW.  You had the courage to call me out when i was pointing the finger of judgement at the posters, why didnt you call them out for doing the same shit?  If you disapprove of people being judgemental, but you do not challenge them because they agree with your own personal judgements, then this is something that strikes me as VERY UN-Discordian.  You brought yourself into it when you exposed the contradiction.  I wont Judge you as not a good discordian though, because #1 there may be some other reason you didnt call them out and #2 It hasn't been defined what a good Discordian is.

I can say, though, that if you didnt challenge them because you were scared to... that is not a good thing.  That is why i want to know why you didnt challenge them.