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Started by Verbal Mike, April 01, 2008, 09:22:23 PM

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Verbal Mike

Quote"There is no way of teaching or training another person for self-sufficiency. There is no technic for obtaining or transmitting these traits. The only way a person becomes responsible for himself is for him to be responsible for himself, with no reservation or qualifications."
   -Daniel Greenberg, The Crisis in American Education: An Analysis and a Proposal

Parents have gotten lazy, and we're all eating shit for it.
Mothers give birth, drop the little baby on a nanny, and go back to work. Fathers buy the tots gadgets and games so they don't have to spend time with them. And then eventually, when the kid is 5 or 6, they start sending it to school, never questioning for a moment the appropriateness of such an environment to a young person.
Think about it – what kind of capacity did you have for critical thinking at the age of 6? Heck, how critical were you at 8? And at 10? And yet at these very young, gullible ages, children are subjected to a constant bombardment of educational data. Knowing that children at these ages haven't much of a grasp on critical thinking, teachers just present the curriculum as fact. Grade-school teachers do not give the matter much of a thought – the high-school teachers will sort it out later down the road, make the kids think.
Wait a second, these people are going to make the children think for themselves?
Yeah, right. Like that has ever worked. No, the diet of single-minded groupthink meme-soup starts when the kids first enter the first-grade classroom and though new ingredients are added every year, the consistency remains the same. You can't follow an order with "but do whatever you want" and expect someone to actually do what they want. After that order, they can't ignore what you want them to do. No matter what you try, even their attempts to figure out what they want will be driven by their need to do what you say.
How fucked up is all that?
Is it really reasonable to send soft, gullible children into an environment specifically designed to tell them what to think? Is this what we want the next generations to look like? Like the currently up-and-coming generations of mass consumers who might as well choose their personality out of a catalog for all their originality?
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Golden Applesauce

I went to school, and I've turned out okay.*








*so far.**








**Unless you count the dropping out of 6th grade bit.
Q: How regularly do you hire 8th graders?
A: We have hired a number of FORMER 8th graders.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Verb.

You hate school.

We get it.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Jenne

http://africa.reuters.com/odd/news/usnN01267962.html

Don't worry, the kids fight back.  Eventually.

HAR!  THINKING FOR OURSELVES ITT!!!!

Pope Lecherous

I always saw school as more of a tool of socialization...  Getting kids to learn how to interact with others and deal with authority.  In school kids get a bigger picture of society than in the household.  Also those who don't adapt well (problems with authority) are picked out and get the shaft by their peers and teachers until they fall in line, or they lose their opportunity for state education.

Kinda shitty, those who may be a threat to the system end up getting worked the hardest.
--- War to the knife, knife to the hilt.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

I wonder what the teacher did to make the kids hate her that much?

There's only one teacher in my kids' school who might inspire that much hate, and she's so fucking evil that *parents* are planning to duct tape her to her chair and cut her throat. Luckily, she's just a substitute.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Golden Applesauce

Quote from: Pope Lecherous on April 02, 2008, 05:47:19 AM
I always saw school as more of a tool of socialization...  Getting kids to learn how to interact with others and deal with authority.  In school kids get a bigger picture of society than in the household.  Also those who don't adapt well (problems with authority) are picked out and get the shaft by their peers and teachers until they fall in line, or they lose their opportunity for state education.

Kinda shitty, those who may be a threat to the system end up getting worked the hardest.

It depends on the teachers.  The lesson I took from school was that teachers and other authority figures were more likely to be morons than not, just like everybody else, and therefore one must choose which (if any) authority figures to pay attention too.  This can happen at quite an early age - I ran across one of my old third grade notebooks the other day and found that I had scribbled "School = a place to hear adults talk nonsense" in the margin.

Q: How regularly do you hire 8th graders?
A: We have hired a number of FORMER 8th graders.

Reeducation

Wow, your schools sucked. From the first grade to the sixth, i had this one freethinker hippie rocker as a teacher. He said that god maybe dead already, so think carefull what to believe, on religion-lesson.  :)
I was 8 then.
I am very calm

P3nT4gR4m

What the hell are you talking about - school fucking rocked! Admittedly I didn't go every day like some of the kids but when I did go there was dope to sell, smaller kids to shakedown, bigger kids to fight with, plenty to steal and pussy to boot.

What's not to like?

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
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"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

Reeducation

Quote from: SillyCybin on April 02, 2008, 08:36:46 AM
What the hell are you talking about - school fucking rocked! Admittedly I didn't go every day like some of the kids but when I did go there was dope to sell, smaller kids to shakedown, bigger kids to fight with, plenty to steal and pussy to boot.

What's not to like?

Well, if you put it like that.... :)
I was just a Tobacco King. I was the only one who sold tobacco when i was at upper level of comprehensive school. (or, how do you say it?)
I am very calm

Triple Zero

school for me was mostly just a grey blur, which i woke up out of when i moved out and started going to college

heh, and that's when things started to go downhill ;-)
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Payne

Quote from: triple zero on April 02, 2008, 12:34:53 PM
school for me was mostly just a grey blur, which i woke up out of when i moved out and started going to college

heh, and that's when things started to go downhill ;-)

Kinda the same as me. Except for all the spiky bullying my deep rooted pacifism seemed to draw.

School didn't really bother me. School kids did.

The inability of authority figures to even apply their own stated ideals was probably the best lesson I ever learned there.

AFK

Ugh, Same church, different pew. 
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

P3nT4gR4m

I learned exactly 3 things at school:

1) crime actually does pay, quite well in fact

2) osmosis is the passage of water, through a semi permeable membrane, from an area of high concentration of water to an area of low concentration of water

3) the square of the hypotenuse is in some way calculable (something something sides something)

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

Cramulus

Quote from: SillyCybin on April 02, 2008, 03:09:27 PM
I learned exactly 4 things at school:

1) crime actually does pay, quite well in fact

2) osmosis is the passage of water, through a semi permeable membrane, from an area of high concentration of water to an area of low concentration of water

3) the square of the hypotenuse is in some way calculable (something something sides something)

4) if you cut a hole in your trouser pocket, it makes it harder to concentrate on the class, but easier to concentrate on the girl across the room. Teenage boobs defy gravity!

fixed