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The First Church of the Holy Lie
« on: April 12, 2008, 09:02:28 am »
You are a liar.

Yes, you.  You and every single other human on this planet.  All of us have told some lie or another at some time in their life.  A little white lie here, a small fib there, a sin of omission every now and then. Why do we do it?  Because we can't help ourselves. We lie to our friends to make them feel better.  We lie to our enemies to place traps in their way.  But most of all we lie to ourselves to protect us from the bitter truth.

Now, imagine what would happen if every single person on this planet had to tell the absolute truth for one day.  Every man, woman, and child. Every politician and lawyer. Every priest and holy man. Every salesman and haggler. What would happen? How many marriage would be destroyed? How many wars would be started? How many people would riot in the streets? Would all of society be reduced to rubble in less than a day? Maybe we need all of these little white lies and slight embellishments to glue our civilization together.

Being honest is over-rated.
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Re: The First Church of the Holy Lie
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2008, 09:07:07 am »
I'm not sure society would come crashing down in just one day; certainly would be damaged, though. Are you still lying if you convince yourself that what you say is true?

Maybe I'd just stay silent.
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Re: The First Church of the Holy Lie
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2008, 09:14:54 am »
I'm not sure society would come crashing down in just one day; certainly would be damaged, though. Are you still lying if you convince yourself that what you say is true?

Maybe I'd just stay silent.
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Re: The First Church of the Holy Lie
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2008, 05:31:22 pm »
I've gotten high and watched Liar Lair, too.
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Re: The First Church of the Holy Lie
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2008, 06:21:24 pm »
I've gotten high and watched Liar Lair, too.

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made me think of that, too
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Re: The First Church of the Holy Lie
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2008, 06:27:39 pm »
You are a liar.

Yes, you.  You and every single other human on this planet.  All of us have told some lie or another at some time in their life.  A little white lie here, a small fib there, a sin of omission every now and then. Why do we do it?  Because we can't help ourselves. We lie to our friends to make them feel better.  We lie to our enemies to place traps in their way.  But most of all we lie to ourselves to protect us from the bitter truth.

Now, imagine what would happen if every single person on this planet had to tell the absolute truth for one day.  Every man, woman, and child. Every politician and lawyer. Every priest and holy man. Every salesman and haggler. What would happen? How many marriage would be destroyed? How many wars would be started? How many people would riot in the streets? Would all of society be reduced to rubble in less than a day? Maybe we need all of these little white lies and slight embellishments to glue our civilization together.

Being honest is over-rated.

I like honesty. I like being able to just tell people what I'm thinking. I like knowing whats really going on. I like people to just come out and tell me what they really think of me, cause at least I'm not fooling myself then. If people hate me, then I want to know that, or just stick around me for some other reason, I'd like to know. I want to surround myself with people who really do fucking care about me, and those who would try to fool me can go fuck themselves.

Theres this bullshit quote "be the change you want to see in the world". I want to see honesty in this world. So I'm honest.

And I honestly didn't care too much for your rant, because those things you listed? They seem like they would at least make people stop and think, create some change, if not bring down the whole system.

Wish that Birth of the Lie thread has been retained so long ago...

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Re: The First Church of the Holy Lie
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2008, 06:35:11 pm »
Lying is just more fun

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Re: The First Church of the Holy Lie
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2008, 07:37:19 pm »
I would hope that society would come crashing down, because otherwise I would be spending a rather long time in jail.
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Re: The First Church of the Holy Lie
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2008, 08:00:12 pm »
Lying is just more fun

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Re: The First Church of the Holy Lie
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2008, 08:50:26 pm »
If nothing else, a sudden overwhelming surge of honesty would be a serious mindfuck for people who are so wrapped up in the Social Game that they can no longer distinguish themselves from it.

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Re: The First Church of the Holy Lie
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2008, 09:24:53 pm »
If nothing else, a sudden overwhelming surge of honesty would be a serious mindfuck for people who are so wrapped up in the Social Game that they can no longer distinguish themselves from it.

Yeah, that was my point, pretty much. People are so used to lying that honesty would throw them off the deep end.

Plus, I just like honesty.
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Re: The First Church of the Holy Lie
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2008, 01:29:02 am »
What are the two biggest lies in Poland?





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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2008, 06:36:15 am »
the problem with everybody being "honest" is that even honesty is a lie. for humans, the truth is way too easy to confuse with your opinion. when you're being "brutally honest," are you really telling an objective truth, or are you telling the truth as you see it? they're two different things. humans are naturally terrible at being objective, so of course we lie and manipulate. telling me to tell the truth all the time is telling me to put too much energy into people who aren't worth it.
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« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2008, 04:40:14 pm »
All of my lies are true.
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Re: The First Church of the Holy Lie
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2008, 04:43:32 pm »
the problem with everybody being "honest" is that even honesty is a lie. for humans, the truth is way too easy to confuse with your opinion. when you're being "brutally honest," are you really telling an objective truth, or are you telling the truth as you see it? they're two different things. humans are naturally terrible at being objective, so of course we lie and manipulate. telling me to tell the truth all the time is telling me to put too much energy into people who aren't worth it.

At least you're being honest about your opinions then.
One by one, we break the sheep from their Iron Bar Prisons and expand their imaginations, make them think for themselves. In turn, they break more from their prisons. Eventually, critical mass is reached. Our key word: Resolve. Evangelize with compassion and determination. And realize that there will be few in the beginning. We are hand picking our successors. They are the future of Discordianism. Let us guide our future with intelligence.

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