Attention, New Age Freaks and Weirdos.

[Thurnez Isa]

where is BMW when yo need him
(we also need that guy smashing his head against the wall smiley)
ok daruko give me ONE "mystical" suprise

1) the planets do not orbit in circular patterns, centered around the earth   

No, they orbit in perfectly straight lines around the sun.

Every 1st year physics student knows that, retard.

and they are kept in orbit by Leprechaun farts

[The Good Reverend Roger]

where is BMW when yo need him
(we also need that guy smashing his head against the wall smiley)
ok daruko give me ONE "mystical" suprise

1) the planets do not orbit in circular patterns, centered around the earth   

No, they orbit in perfectly straight lines around the sun.

Every 1st year physics student knows that, retard.

and they are kept in orbit by Leprechaun farts

I was being serious.

Nothing pisses me off more than mushy-headed bullshit and pseudoscience.

Well, almost nothing.  There was that time I got my tongue stuck in the printer.  That was worse.

[Thurnez Isa]

if thats the case when your done with goldlike productions i could get some links

but not the site im on
im bound by promises

[Akara]

what do you mean by "perfectly straight lines?" I feel confused by this...

[Adjective Noun]

From what I understand about QM (admittedly very little) there seems to be a lot of evidence that things get very wonky at the sub-quantum level... since the macroverse is made up of the microverse it would seem to make sense (at least to me) that things may sometimes be wonky in the macroverse as well.  Since humans have such a limited understanding of the sub-quantum level it makes sense why these weird things happen and yet we cannot explain them, predict them, or -seemingly- control them.  And, admittedly, they don't seem to occur very often... at least not to single individuals.  Who knows what kind of wackiness we might be able to witness if we could be everywhere on this world at once?

Atm, at least, scientists use the word 'decoherence' to explain the relationship between quantum and classical phsyics (your macroverse and microverse). Basically, it means you dont see the 'strange' quantum effects outside of sub-atomic particles. It was what Schrodinger was trying to point out with his 'cat in a box' thought experiment, before some spags decided the cat would really be half-alive and half-dead. That lead to all kinds of inanity about things not existing until they are 'observed', btw.

But yeah, quantum seems to have become a byword for quirky or bullshit 'science', joining such classics as 'magnetic' and 'tachyon'. Of course, the purveyors of such crap are usually trying to sell you something. For instance, magnetic water! http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/magneticwater.htm

[Triple Zero]

Horseshit. 

You wouldn't know the Wheeler interpretation if it bit you on your arse.

exactly. i asked some of my (physics and astronomy graduated) friends about whether there is any use for knowing anything about QM if you're not doing physics or astronomy PhD research and/or working at a particle accelerator lab or something.

they thought long and hard.

and said, no.

i asked them about the people that think they know QM but do not do research or whatever with it and the weird conclusions and ideas they might get from it.

very quickly they agreed we should teach people Newtonian physics is all there's at, NOTHING TO SEE HERE PEOPLE MOVE ALONG, "that quantum stuff? hah! you actually BELIEVED that? c'mon for serious? particles popping in and out of existence randomly? hah, joke's on YOU!"

[hooplala]

You'll say that until a bowling ball falls out of the sky onto you.

[Triple Zero]

You'll say that until a bowling ball falls out of the sky onto you.

actually, no.

in a universe where bowling balls fall out of the sky, i think i'm entitled to say and continue saying anything i damn well please, considering it's not going to happen.

[Cain]

1) LMNO is going to see this thread now and spend hours carefully typing out scientific answers on quantumn mechanics now.  Think of poor LMNO.

2) Am I going to have upload all my quantumn physics e-books again?  Seriously?  Goddamnit. 

[hooplala]

You'll say that until a bowling ball falls out of the sky onto you.

actually, no.

in a universe where bowling balls fall out of the sky, i think i'm entitled to say and continue saying anything i damn well please, considering it's not going to happen.

Don't say I didn't warn you. 

BVH
-reads Fort, and is well aware crazy shit happens

[LMNO]

1) LMNO is going to see this thread now and spend hours carefully typing out scientific answers on quantumn mechanics now.  Think of poor LMNO.

2) Am I going to have upload all my quantumn physics e-books again?  Seriously?  Goddamnit. 

1) Actually, I think I've finally gotten to the point where I treat anyone who uses "quantum" to explain anything other than events occuring at a sub-particle level as the kind of person who thinks Discworld is real.

2) FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

[LMNO]

You'll say that until a bowling ball falls out of the sky onto you.

actually, no.

in a universe where bowling balls fall out of the sky, i think i'm entitled to say and continue saying anything i damn well please, considering it's not going to happen.

Don't say I didn't warn you. 

BVH
-reads Fort, and is well aware crazy shit happens

But the great thing about Fort was that he never tried to explain it using extended metaphors, or science.

[hooplala]

You'll say that until a bowling ball falls out of the sky onto you.

actually, no.

in a universe where bowling balls fall out of the sky, i think i'm entitled to say and continue saying anything i damn well please, considering it's not going to happen.

Don't say I didn't warn you. 

BVH
-reads Fort, and is well aware crazy shit happens

But the great thing about Fort was that he never tried to explain it using extended metaphors, or science.

This is true.  And, I admitted at the beginning I know very little about QM... so, I'm not attempting to sound like an authority.

But from the limited amount I know about QM, it seems that the quirkiness of the subquantum level may be on the road to explaining bizarre occurances such as the one I used as an example.

I'm not saying it DOES, but it might eventually if people don't automatically shut off their minds at the very mention of the notion. 

[LMNO]

You'll say that until a bowling ball falls out of the sky onto you.

actually, no.

in a universe where bowling balls fall out of the sky, i think i'm entitled to say and continue saying anything i damn well please, considering it's not going to happen.

Don't say I didn't warn you. 

BVH
-reads Fort, and is well aware crazy shit happens

But the great thing about Fort was that he never tried to explain it using extended metaphors, or science.

This is true.  And, I admitted at the beginning I know very little about QM... so, I'm not attempting to sound like an authority.

But from the limited amount I know about QM, it seems that the quirkiness of the subquantum level may be on the road to explaining bizarre occurances such as the one I used as an example.

I'm not saying it DOES, but it might eventually if people don't automatically shut off their minds at the very mention of the notion. 

Sadly, from what we currently know about QM, it doesn't, for a variety of reasons.  If you think about it, while the premise, "incredibly weird things happen when they get very, very small" is true, it is only true when things are very, very small, by definition.

If you want to hear about the math, let me know.

[hooplala]

No, I trust you... you know much more about it than I ever will.

Maybe its better we don't know why the weird shit happens.