Attention, New Age Freaks and Weirdos.

[Daruko]

(Also, quit eating the fucking Menu, Spag.)

Tasty.

But the cold, hard truth is that magic is bullshit, no matter how much you roll around in it.

Magic as Superpowerz... yes, I agree... Magic as a model, a system of self-pyshcotherapy etc... then I think you're wrong.

Well, if you just run around making up definitions for words to sound like a mystic, then who am I to stop you?

That seems like a very convicted belief.  Hell, I think EVEN superpowerz are POSSIBLE somewhere in the universe(s).   

I agree with what Rat has said, but beyond the "psychotherapeutic effects" (boy, are we diluting enough?), I have also experienced things from "self-psychotherapy sessions" which correlated with "objective" phenomena in convincings ways (and of course you shouldn't believe/disbelieve this).  But for me, there is more than one interpretation for "queer phenomena", just as there is more than one interpretation of what is "scientific" and what is "pseudo-science".  Everyone draws these lines differently.  Could be real?  Could be illusion?  Could be coincidence, of course.   The most skeptical interpretations are duly noted, but I don't choose one model and believe it strongly, simply because I do not KNOW something in it's entirety, or simply because it seems more phenomenal than anything that "should" be. 

But what's the quote?  I suppose it's a meme.   I've heard different versions of it... 'I have no use for those who believe the limits of the possible"; something like that, but the jist of the idea was that those who maintain strong certainty of impossibilities, are unable to see new possibilities.    I think there's validity in that.  I think human beings have shown and are showing in ever more surprising ways that the limits of the possible are boundless, or at the very least humiliating in comparison with our beliefs about it, at this time or that.

I don't know your experience or your complete classifications for things "bogus mystical" and things rational, but I'd guess there are a few "mystical" suprises out there you haven't been exposed to.   

Call me naive, but I doubt it'd do much good.      

ADD:  for the reductionist:  the Many-Worlds/Multiverse interpretation of Quantum Mechanics suggests to some that logical and physical "possibilities" in one universe are "actualities" in another universe... of course this is not only an oversimplification, but also partly false, because the logical is handled a bit differently in the model I'm mentioning, but we've come a long way from Shor's Algorithm in a very short time.... There are many other models that implicate extraordinary reinterpretations of what's "possible".    It's "possible" you could disappear into an "extreme black hole", from Stephen Hawking's POV.  Do you believe in "extreme black holes", or is that horse shit?  I don't know enough about them to shout "horse shit!" or "not horse shit!", to tell the truth.

[Thurnez Isa]

where is BMW when yo need him
(we also need that guy smashing his head against the wall smiley)
ok daruko give me ONE "mystical" suprise

[Daruko]

where is BMW when yo need him
(we also need that guy smashing his head against the wall smiley)
ok daruko give me ONE "mystical" suprise

1) the planets do not orbit in circular patterns, centered around the earth   

[Nast]

That ain't mystical; that's just a bunch o' balls floatin' around. 

And I get enough of that on public transportation.

[Thurnez Isa]

where is BMW when yo need him
(we also need that guy smashing his head against the wall smiley)
ok daruko give me ONE "mystical" suprise

1) the planets do not orbit in circular patterns, centered around the earth   

I actually did make a scientific response then deleated it
for this


.....


UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!

[Thurnez Isa]

“I think I can safely say that nobody understands Quantum Mechanics” Richard Feynman

i have to say I hate people that bring up QM for what ever bullshit belief they happen to believe in
very few ppl understand QM and those who do readily admit they don't understand QM
if some of the theories of QM turn out to hold up against experiment, that does in NO way mean there is some "mystical" plane of existence
To me it seems like a bounch of hippies using science to justify their stoner ideas

[The Good Reverend Roger]

That seems like a very convicted belief.  Hell, I think EVEN superpowerz are POSSIBLE somewhere in the universe(s).   

No.  They're fucking not.

TGRR,
Knows physics, chemistry, etc are NOT fucking LOCAL EFFECTS.  DAMN.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

where is BMW when yo need him
(we also need that guy smashing his head against the wall smiley)
ok daruko give me ONE "mystical" suprise

1) the planets do not orbit in circular patterns, centered around the earth   

No, they orbit in perfectly straight lines around the sun.

Every 1st year physics student knows that, retard.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

where is BMW when yo need him

BMW is dead and gone.  He imploded into the fluff he always despised.

Who the BMW account is now, I don't know and I don't care to know.  Whoever the fuck it is, it ain't the titan that BMW was.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

ADD:  for the reductionist:  the Many-Worlds/Multiverse interpretation of Quantum Mechanics suggests to some that logical and physical "possibilities" in one universe are "actualities" in another universe... of course this is not only an oversimplification, but also partly false, because the logical is handled a bit differently in the model I'm mentioning, but we've come a long way from Shor's Algorithm in a very short time.... There are many other models that implicate extraordinary reinterpretations of what's "possible".    It's "possible" you could disappear into an "extreme black hole", from Stephen Hawking's POV.  Do you believe in "extreme black holes", or is that horse shit?  I don't know enough about them to shout "horse shit!" or "not horse shit!", to tell the truth.

Horseshit. 

You wouldn't know the Wheeler interpretation if it bit you on your arse.

[hooplala]

"I think I can safely say that nobody understands Quantum Mechanics" Richard Feynman

i have to say I hate people that bring up QM for what ever bullshit belief they happen to believe in
very few ppl understand QM and those who do readily admit they don't understand QM
if some of the theories of QM turn out to hold up against experiment, that does in NO way mean there is some "mystical" plane of existence
To me it seems like a bounch of hippies using science to justify their stoner ideas

From what I understand about QM (admittedly very little) there seems to be a lot of evidence that things get very wonky at the sub-quantum level... since the macroverse is made up of the microverse it would seem to make sense (at least to me) that things may sometimes be wonky in the macroverse as well.  Since humans have such a limited understanding of the sub-quantum level it makes sense why these weird things happen and yet we cannot explain them, predict them, or -seemingly- control them.  And, admittedly, they don't seem to occur very often... at least not to single individuals.  Who knows what kind of wackiness we might be able to witness if we could be everywhere on this world at once?

[hooplala]

where is BMW when yo need him

BMW is dead and gone.  He imploded into the fluff he always despised.

Who the BMW account is now, I don't know and I don't care to know.  Whoever the fuck it is, it ain't the titan that BMW was.

WHA?  When did this happen?

[Thurnez Isa]

but hoopla
it wouldnt make it mystical
either something exists or doesn't
and i would say 99 percent of all claims made by the mystical have NO evidence to support them

sorry if i seem that im ranting
but ive been on a metephysics board for a bit
cause i was asked to by some friends to keep it active... but i was also asked not to pretipate in any of the "serious" discussions... as well as not give anyone on this board the link.. so dont even ask... and the unsubstantiated bullshit is driving me insane

[hooplala]

but hoopla
it wouldnt make it mystical
either something exists or doesn't
and i would say 99 percent of all claims made by the mystical have NO evidence to support them

A) Mystical is a subjective term. 

B) Maybe.

C) Probably true.  But, 99% isn't 100%.  And - lack of evidence doesn't necessarily mean something doesn't exist.

[Thurnez Isa]

mystical usualy applies something supernatural
if you mean the definition being crypic or unintelligible then say crypic
by using mystical you automatically imply (at least to a large segment) something supernatural - and supernatural doesnt really exist if you think of it.. either something exists and is natural or it doesn't
its kind of like involking god in a sentence when you dont mean what the flying superman who created us from clay
oh I hate sermantics
now if you talking about the world of imagination and self-exploration then I kind of agree with you