Indecision 08 Wingnut thread

[tyrannosaurus vex]

I dunno. The only thing keeping me from being 100% cynical is the fact that Obama has such a starkly different background from most politicians. The guy survived on food stamps for a while, he's lived in more places than Sarah Palin has read about, and he actually worked his way up to where he is, as opposed to being bred for it or having it bestowed on him like a birthright.

He's the first person in a long fucking time to achieve the presidency by his own hard work and determination. For now, I'm assuming that counts for something. His personal motives have to differ from motives of the last 20 presidents.

[Jenne]

I thought Clinton worked his way up/married his way up?

[tyrannosaurus vex]

no. clinton only got to be president because Hillary needed something to stand on.

[Jenne]

So he married his way up.

Who said there aren't casting couches in politix?

[BADGE OF HONOR]

The ONLY demographic that McCain won was the 65+ demographic.  And the 65+ women was actually pretty close.  The DEMs won young men and women, 30-65 yo men and women, blacks, latinos, the jewish vote, I believe they even won the evangelical vote.

So, basically as of today, the GOP are the old white guy party.  If they don't find a way to appeal to some of these, GROWING, demographics, they are fucked for the next two decades at least.  And no, Palin is not their ticket.  However, I think they do have some promise with Gov. Jindal from Lousiana.  They need to approach that angle if they have any hope at being competetive.  Either that, or cross their fingers that the Dems royally screw the pooch, which as we've seen, is quite possible AND likely.  

They weren't already?

[AFK]

The ONLY demographic that McCain won was the 65+ demographic.  And the 65+ women was actually pretty close.  The DEMs won young men and women, 30-65 yo men and women, blacks, latinos, the jewish vote, I believe they even won the evangelical vote.

So, basically as of today, the GOP are the old white guy party.  If they don't find a way to appeal to some of these, GROWING, demographics, they are fucked for the next two decades at least.  And no, Palin is not their ticket.  However, I think they do have some promise with Gov. Jindal from Lousiana.  They need to approach that angle if they have any hope at being competetive.  Either that, or cross their fingers that the Dems royally screw the pooch, which as we've seen, is quite possible AND likely.  

They weren't already?

Well sure, but they had some of the other demographics as well.  For example, in the past two Prez elections they drew more of the Hispanic vote than did the Dems.

[BADGE OF HONOR]

Eh, I keep forgetting that my perceptions are skewed since I live in Utah where, while there are brown people, they are ignored if not persecuted by the old white guys.

[Cain]

The GOP also attracts young, frustrated male virgins, such as Ben Stein.

[BADGE OF HONOR]

The GOP also attracts young, frustrated male virgins, such as Ben Stein.

Yes, the people who want to grow up to be old white guys.

Rich old white guys, let's not forget.

[Cain]

Ben Stein just wants a woman who wont laugh at him, I think.  That explains his traditional values rantings, he just wants arranged marriages to be back in fashion.

[The Dark Monk]

And to not lose 5,000 dollars on his old corny gameshow.

[BADGE OF HONOR]

He should just go back to doing Visine commercials.

[The Dark Monk]

He busted out a new one about a week ago, but it's not the same.

[Iason Ouabache]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the highest level of wingnuttery in the known universe:  Conservapedia's page on Barack Obama:

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Obama pretends he's not a socialist, responding to the criticism "Socialistic", [6] but his own memoir admits that he chose his "friends carefully .... The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists."[7] He was previously a member of a socialist political party, and appears to have strong socialist tendencies.[8]

Obama is the first person having ties to a known terrorist to gain control over America's nuclear weapons.[12][13] Author and blogger Jack Cashill compared the writing style of Bill Ayers' 2001 memoir, Fugitive Days, with Barack Obama's earlier 1995 book, Dreams From My Father, and came to the conclusion that Ayres had ghostwritten Dreams.[14] [15] Dr. Peter Millican, who was hired to do a computer analysis comparing the two works, called the charges "very implausible". [16] Ayers admitted that he was "guilty as hell" in planting bombs in the 1970s, and that he has no regrets and felt he "should have done more."[17]

Catholic Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver, where Obama received his Democratic Party nomination, recently criticized Obama as the "most committed" abortion-supporting candidate "since the Roe v. Wade abortion decision in 1973.[18] Obama said "the first thing I'd do as President is sign the Freedom of Choice Act."[19] That bill "would invalidate virtually all state and federal limitations on abortion, and would make partial-birth abortion legal again."[20] Indeed, Obama was upset with the decision of the Supreme Court not to strike down the law passed by the United States Congress to prohibit partial-birth abortion, believing that partial-birth abortion is guaranteed right of the Constitution and that there should be no ability to legislate against it.

Doctors from the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons have stated that Obama uses techniques of mind control in his speeches and campaign symbols. For example, one speech declared, "a light will shine down from somewhere, it will light upon you, you will experience an epiphany, and you will say to yourself, 'I have to vote for Barack.'"[21] The doctors observe that "Obama's logo is noteworthy. It is always there, a small one in the middle of the podium, providing a point of visual fixation ... [that] resembles a crystal ball, a favorite of hypnotists."[21]

President-elect Obama will likely become the first Muslim President, and may use the Koran to be sworn into office at his inauguration on January 20, 2009.[22][23] The evidence that he is a Muslim includes:

Obama's background, education, and outlook are Muslim, and fewer than 1% of Muslims convert to Christianity.[24][25]
Obama's middle name (Hussein) references Husayn, who was the grandson of Muhammad, which most Christians would not retain.[26]
Obama recently referred to his "Muslim faith."[27]
Obama stated that the autobiography of Malcolm X, a Nation of Islam leader who became a Muslim, inspired him in his youth.[28]
Obama raised nearly $1 million and campaigned for a Kenyan presidential candidate who had a written agreement with Muslim leaders promising to convert Kenya to an Islamic state that bans Christianity.[29]
Obama's claims of conversion to Christianity arose after he became politically ambitious, lacking a date of conversion or baptism.[30]
On the campaign trail Obama has been reading "The Post-American World" by Fareed Zakaria,[31] which is written from a Muslim point-of-view.[32]
Contrary to Christianity, the Islamic doctrine of taqiyya encourages adherents to deny they are Muslim if it advances the cause of Islam.
Obama uses the Muslim Pakistani pronunciation for "Pakistan" rather than the common American one.[33]
Many of Obama's statements about religion conflict with Christianity, leading one group to demonstrate with a 7-part video series, "Why Barack Obama is Not a Christian."[34]
Obama was thoroughly exposed to Christianity as an adult in Chicago prior to attending law school, yet no one at law school saw him display any interest in converting. Obama unabashedly explained how he became "churched" in a 2007 speech: "It's around that time [while working as an organizer for the Developing Communities Project (DCP) of the Calumet Community Religious Conference (CCRC) in Chicago] that some pastors I was working with came around and asked if I was a member of a church. 'If you're organizing churches,' they said, 'it might be helpful if you went to a church once in a while.' And I thought, 'I guess that makes sense.'"[35]
Obama is mentioned as helping to organize the 1995 million man march led by black Muslim leader Louis Farrakhan from the Nation of Islam. [36]
Obama tries to downplay his Islamic background by claiming that his Kenyan Muslim father was a "confirmed atheist" before Obama was born, but in fact less than 1% of Kenyans are atheists, agnostics or non-religious.[37] There is apparently no evidence of any Christian activities or local church participation by Obama while he was in Massachusetts from 1988 to 1991. Finally, Obama abruptly left his church in Chicago in 2008 when it became politically controversial, without first finding another church to join.

And that's just the stuff above the content box!!!

[Vene]

I suppose conservapedia is the well-meaning fool?

"If this is too blind for your taste, consult some well-meaning fool (there is always one around) and ask his advice. Then vote the other way. This enables you to be a good citizen (if such is your wish) without spending the enormous amount of time on it that truly intelligent exercise of franchise requires."
Robert Heinlein