Lost Topics #2: Modern Spellbooks

[Kai]

I carry around a moleskin sketchbook constantly.  Not that I draw for shit, but it's where I put down ideas, quotes, doodles, or records of anyhting that strikes me.  I've had several such over the years.  If I ever have the time or inclination, I figure I can compile.

I've got one specifically for this. If I just want to have something to write notes on, I would get a $1 flimsy covered one. These damn things are expensive! However, for this task I need something that will last.

How does the chaetotaxy that help you figure out what the bug does? What information could you possibly stand to gain from looking at an insect's bristles?
^{Hey [000],
The gloves are off. Stakes are the title of most infuriating Dutchie. Make me rage, if you dare!}

It may help me, after associating adults and larvae of the same species using mitochondrial DNA (a process that was only published for this lineage just last year), to describe and diagnose larvae to the species level within this genus, thus allowing species level behaviors, characters, and toxicology to be used at least regionally for things such as aquatic ecology and stream biomonitoring.

In otherwords, I'M DOING REAL SCIENCE THAT WILL LEAD TO MORE REAL SCIENCE WHILE YOU ARE SITTING ON YOUR ASS DOING NOTHING BUT GETTING HIGH AND SPEWING YOUR WORTHLESS SHIT ALL OVER THIS FORUM. If you actually got off your ass and sobered up maybe you could contribute something worthwhile, or at least interesting, to science, to this forum, or to your pathetic life even.

Douche.

[Kai]

No no, wait. I'm not gonna stop there. Let me go on see, and tell you why this sciency buggy shit is worth more than your stupid life.

You see, municipalities provide water for their citizens, preferably of good quality. After the water is used, it is treated via a sewage treatment system which often includes things such as physical removal of large debris, sedimentation tanks, and aeration. All of these things lower the heavy metals, phosphorus, nitrogen, and other chemicals that would otherwise be in toxic levels in the water, because humans shit and leave some vile stuff as wastewater. When the water is cleaned up, that is, much better than it was, it is discharged as effluent into a stream system. The stream and surrounding land slowly filter the effluent and toxin levels as the system moves further downslope. Now, other systems downstream take that water that was effluent, and produce tap water out of it using another treatment system. The water, once effluent, now cleaner, is filtrated, clorinated, and made safe enough for you to boil your ramen noodles in while fapping to 4chan.

Now, these systems don't always work perfectly. And the output levels aren't always safe for humans, much less other stream organisms. Enter the science of stream biomonitoring, where organisms are used as a level of the water quality in a stream system. You can use fish to do this, and many consulting firms or municipalities do, but more regularly, benthic (bottom dwelling) macroinvertebrates such as aquatic insects are used. There are very many species of insects that are aquatic during some stage of their lifecycle, and these species are adapted for different levels of water quality. Using multimetric analysis, we can approximate the water quality of a stream over time by sampling and identifying stream macroinvertebrates.

Now, the Genus Cheumatopsyche is one of the most common genera of caddisflies in streams, and I'm not just talking here, I mean everywhere, all over the world. It is one of the most ubiquitous groups of stream insects there is, especially in the united states, and especially in degraded water conditions. Unfortunatly, the larvae for this region of the world are very difficult to separate to species, and these species vary greatly in their tolerances of water quality conditions. So, we have the most common group, vary greatly in water quality conditions but haven't been diagnosed to species level in a way that a biomonitoring professional can use.

All of what I am saying comes down to this: while you are sitting on your retarded ass blowing your mind, I'm making research happen that makes sure your water is okay for you to drink so you don't die some morning of lead poisoning.

So go fuck yourself, get high, and thank bob there are people like me that have half a brain and give a shit or your ass would be fucked.

[Janvier]

No no, wait. I'm not gonna stop there. Let me go on see, and tell you why this sciency buggy shit is worth more than your stupid life.

You see, municipalities provide water for their citizens, preferably of good quality. After the water is used, it is treated via a sewage treatment system which often includes things such as physical removal of large debris, sedimentation tanks, and aeration. All of these things lower the heavy metals, phosphorus, nitrogen, and other chemicals that would otherwise be in toxic levels in the water, because humans shit and leave some vile stuff as wastewater. When the water is cleaned up, that is, much better than it was, it is discharged as effluent into a stream system. The stream and surrounding land slowly filter the effluent and toxin levels as the system moves further downslope. Now, other systems downstream take that water that was effluent, and produce tap water out of it using another treatment system. The water, once effluent, now cleaner, is filtrated, clorinated, and made safe enough for you to boil your ramen noodles in while fapping to 4chan.

Now, these systems don't always work perfectly. And the output levels aren't always safe for humans, much less other stream organisms. Enter the science of stream biomonitoring, where organisms are used as a level of the water quality in a stream system. You can use fish to do this, and many consulting firms or municipalities do, but more regularly, benthic (bottom dwelling) macroinvertebrates such as aquatic insects are used. There are very many species of insects that are aquatic during some stage of their lifecycle, and these species are adapted for different levels of water quality. Using multimetric analysis, we can approximate the water quality of a stream over time by sampling and identifying stream macroinvertebrates.

Now, the Genus Cheumatopsyche is one of the most common genera of caddisflies in streams, and I'm not just talking here, I mean everywhere, all over the world. It is one of the most ubiquitous groups of stream insects there is, especially in the united states, and especially in degraded water conditions. Unfortunatly, the larvae for this region of the world are very difficult to separate to species, and these species vary greatly in their tolerances of water quality conditions. So, we have the most common group, vary greatly in water quality conditions but haven't been diagnosed to species level in a way that a biomonitoring professional can use.

All of what I am saying comes down to this: while you are sitting on your retarded ass blowing your mind, I'm making research happen that makes sure your water is okay for you to drink so you don't die some morning of lead poisoning.

So go fuck yourself, get high, and thank bob there are people like me that have half a brain and give a shit or your ass would be fucked.

First off, I propose that you would be equally fucked if there weren't people like me.
Secondly, a species doesn't become a species until it can be identified as such. Doesn't that basically mean that new species are made by discovering them?

[Kai]

No, if there were less people like you, more active socially conscious people in the world, I'd have a hell of a lot more to do because people would want to see more work done. Which is fine because I love it.

Species are new to the world when they are described and named, they are new to science (reference the science news thread where I've talked about this very subject). I've also talked in other spaces about what a species is, how it is defined. I don't feel the need to repeat here for the convenience of some stupid troll.

[Janvier]

No, if there were less people like you, more active socially conscious people in the world, I'd have a hell of a lot more to do because people would want to see more work done. Which is fine because I love it.

Species are new to the world when they are described and named, they are new to science (reference the science news thread where I've talked about this very subject). I've also talked in other spaces about what a species is, how it is defined. I don't feel the need to repeat here for the convenience of some stupid troll.

Do you have any idea how socially conscious I am? No? Figured as much. So please don't knock on my methods because you're not familiar with them, and I won't knock on yours.

And on the second part, well, I suppose if you believe I am nothing more than a troll, you are right not to do so within your limited view of the world.

[Kai]

No, if there were less people like you, more active socially conscious people in the world, I'd have a hell of a lot more to do because people would want to see more work done. Which is fine because I love it.

Species are new to the world when they are described and named, they are new to science (reference the science news thread where I've talked about this very subject). I've also talked in other spaces about what a species is, how it is defined. I don't feel the need to repeat here for the convenience of some stupid troll.

Do you have any idea how socially conscious I am? No? Figured as much. So please don't knock on my methods because you're not familiar with them, and I won't knock on yours.

And on the second part, well, I suppose if you believe I am nothing more than a troll, you are right not to do so within your limited view of the world.

You haven't given me any reason to believe that you aren't a troll, and even if you /aren't/, you've done nothing but disrespect everybody here and spew innane, banal overdone bullshit that stopped being interesting or amusing decades ago. I'm more than familiar with your methods as well as how full of shit everyone who uses them is.

[Janvier]

No, if there were less people like you, more active socially conscious people in the world, I'd have a hell of a lot more to do because people would want to see more work done. Which is fine because I love it.

Species are new to the world when they are described and named, they are new to science (reference the science news thread where I've talked about this very subject). I've also talked in other spaces about what a species is, how it is defined. I don't feel the need to repeat here for the convenience of some stupid troll.

Do you have any idea how socially conscious I am? No? Figured as much. So please don't knock on my methods because you're not familiar with them, and I won't knock on yours.

And on the second part, well, I suppose if you believe I am nothing more than a troll, you are right not to do so within your limited view of the world.

You haven't given me any reason to believe that you aren't a troll, and even if you /aren't/, you've done nothing but disrespect everybody here and spew inane, banal overdone bullshit that stopped being interesting or amusing decades ago. I'm more than familiar with your methods as well as how full of shit everyone who uses them is.

You aren't familiar with my methods, otherwise I wouldn't have regarded you as lowly. You know jack shit about philosophy.

[Kai]

No, if there were less people like you, more active socially conscious people in the world, I'd have a hell of a lot more to do because people would want to see more work done. Which is fine because I love it.

Species are new to the world when they are described and named, they are new to science (reference the science news thread where I've talked about this very subject). I've also talked in other spaces about what a species is, how it is defined. I don't feel the need to repeat here for the convenience of some stupid troll.

Do you have any idea how socially conscious I am? No? Figured as much. So please don't knock on my methods because you're not familiar with them, and I won't knock on yours.

And on the second part, well, I suppose if you believe I am nothing more than a troll, you are right not to do so within your limited view of the world.

You haven't given me any reason to believe that you aren't a troll, and even if you /aren't/, you've done nothing but disrespect everybody here and spew inane, banal overdone bullshit that stopped being interesting or amusing decades ago. I'm more than familiar with your methods as well as how full of shit everyone who uses them is.

You aren't familiar with my methods, otherwise I wouldn't have regarded you as lowly. You know jack shit about philosophy.

From what I can see of all these people here who /are/ familiar with philosophy and who I trust to be at least consistent  and honest about that sort of thing, mostly because they have big egos, like myself, and want everyone to know just how smart they are, you don't know jack shit either. At least I know some science, enough to be interesting.

You, on the other hand, are consistently spewing stupid bullshit. And *shrug* on this forum I don't waste my time caring about the opinions of those who have nothing intelligent to say. I'm just poking you with a stick now, to see how you react.

[Janvier]

No, if there were less people like you, more active socially conscious people in the world, I'd have a hell of a lot more to do because people would want to see more work done. Which is fine because I love it.

Species are new to the world when they are described and named, they are new to science (reference the science news thread where I've talked about this very subject). I've also talked in other spaces about what a species is, how it is defined. I don't feel the need to repeat here for the convenience of some stupid troll.

Do you have any idea how socially conscious I am? No? Figured as much. So please don't knock on my methods because you're not familiar with them, and I won't knock on yours.

And on the second part, well, I suppose if you believe I am nothing more than a troll, you are right not to do so within your limited view of the world.

You haven't given me any reason to believe that you aren't a troll, and even if you /aren't/, you've done nothing but disrespect everybody here and spew inane, banal overdone bullshit that stopped being interesting or amusing decades ago. I'm more than familiar with your methods as well as how full of shit everyone who uses them is.

You aren't familiar with my methods, otherwise I wouldn't have regarded you as lowly. You know jack shit about philosophy.

From what I can see of all these people here who /are/ familiar with philosophy and who I trust to be at least consistent  and honest about that sort of thing, mostly because they have big egos, like myself, and want everyone to know just how smart they are, you don't know jack shit either. At least I know some science, enough to be interesting.

You, on the other hand, are consistently spewing stupid bullshit. And *shrug* on this forum I don't waste my time caring about the opinions of those who have nothing intelligent to say. I'm just poking you with a stick now, to see how you react.

How does one determine proficiency in philosophy? By debate. By interaction. Not by referring to authority.

I certainly enjoyed that last nuance you added... My reaction to being poked has remained fairly constant over time: a combination of amusement and interest. I'm always waiting for a challenger, perhaps someone of the Sri Siyadasti school of logic, who could disprove my beliefs, but I am yet to encounter my peer.

[Kai]

No, if there were less people like you, more active socially conscious people in the world, I'd have a hell of a lot more to do because people would want to see more work done. Which is fine because I love it.

Species are new to the world when they are described and named, they are new to science (reference the science news thread where I've talked about this very subject). I've also talked in other spaces about what a species is, how it is defined. I don't feel the need to repeat here for the convenience of some stupid troll.

Do you have any idea how socially conscious I am? No? Figured as much. So please don't knock on my methods because you're not familiar with them, and I won't knock on yours.

And on the second part, well, I suppose if you believe I am nothing more than a troll, you are right not to do so within your limited view of the world.

You haven't given me any reason to believe that you aren't a troll, and even if you /aren't/, you've done nothing but disrespect everybody here and spew inane, banal overdone bullshit that stopped being interesting or amusing decades ago. I'm more than familiar with your methods as well as how full of shit everyone who uses them is.

You aren't familiar with my methods, otherwise I wouldn't have regarded you as lowly. You know jack shit about philosophy.

From what I can see of all these people here who /are/ familiar with philosophy and who I trust to be at least consistent  and honest about that sort of thing, mostly because they have big egos, like myself, and want everyone to know just how smart they are, you don't know jack shit either. At least I know some science, enough to be interesting.

You, on the other hand, are consistently spewing stupid bullshit. And *shrug* on this forum I don't waste my time caring about the opinions of those who have nothing intelligent to say. I'm just poking you with a stick now, to see how you react.

How does one determine proficiency in philosophy? By debate. By interaction. Not by referring to authority.

I certainly enjoyed that last nuance you added... My reaction to being poked has remained fairly constant over time: a combination of amusement and interest. I'm always waiting for a challenger, perhaps someone of the Sri Siyadasti school of logic, who could disprove my beliefs, but I am yet to encounter my peer.

No, fuck that. I'm okay with trolling a troll. Besides, by your 'debate' and interaction, you have shown yourself to have little proficiency. Furthermore, you seem to pose yourself as an authority without actually backing it up with any interesting shit, therefore I will continue to not take you seriously.

Also, funny, a n00b can quote the pd. Yeah, like THAT hasn't been done. 


Oh, btw, its Syadasti, no 'i' between the 's' and 'y'.

[Requia ☣]

I am yet to encounter my peer.

Try her:

[BADGE OF HONOR]

Well, this topic WAS interesting 

Kai I'd love to see how you pull your book(s) off, I've been thinking of making one.

[Kai]

I'm working on it. Been staring through an old crappy scope making pictures of larval setaetion patterns.

[Kai]

Pictures of my "biospellbook".

[BADGE OF HONOR]

NEEDS MOAR STUFFED ALLIGATOR MAGIC