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Re: Why is Discordia more relevant than ever in the year 2008?
« Reply #240 on: September 01, 2012, 03:29:24 pm »
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Re: Why is Discordia more relevant than ever in the year 2008?
« Reply #241 on: September 01, 2012, 08:09:22 pm »
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Re: Why is Discordia more relevant than ever in the year 2008?
« Reply #242 on: September 01, 2012, 09:23:52 pm »
I haven't read this thread totally yet, but stuff like the OP is a perfect example of why I miss Cramulus. Why did that spag-king have to go?  I may have to do sOMething. 
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Re: Why is Discordia more relevant than ever in the year 2008?
« Reply #243 on: September 02, 2012, 11:17:47 am »
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Re: Why is Discordia more relevant than ever in the year 2008?
« Reply #244 on: September 02, 2012, 05:03:05 pm »
Cram is over at facebook. He posted on my sttus a couple of days ago. Might go to new york in autumn see how hes doing.
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Re: Why is Discordia more relevant than ever in the year 2008?
« Reply #245 on: September 02, 2012, 07:39:35 pm »
I haven't read this thread totally yet, but stuff like the OP is a perfect example of why I miss Cramulus. Why did that spag-king have to go?  I may have to do sOMething.

I can't speak for him, but I think he decided that PD wasn't the Discordianism he wanted.
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Re: Why is Discordia more relevant than ever in the year 2008?
« Reply #246 on: September 02, 2012, 08:39:57 pm »
I haven't read this thread totally yet, but stuff like the OP is a perfect example of why I miss Cramulus. Why did that spag-king have to go?  I may have to do sOMething.

I can't speak for him, but I think he decided that PD wasn't the Discordianism he wanted.

What I gathered was that Cram needed a break from Discordia in general.
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Re: Why is Discordia more relevant than ever in the year 2008?
« Reply #247 on: September 02, 2012, 08:42:15 pm »
He seems to still be doing stuff over at 23ae.
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Re: Why is Discordia more relevant than ever in the year 2008?
« Reply #248 on: September 03, 2012, 12:09:11 am »
Time is tight right now and I have to log out, but I just finished the thread. When I return tomorrow I will reply specifically to the above and contribute the best I can to this thread.  For now I must say I feel that I stand among superior (or at least superb) persons here and that the momentum of Discordia is not diminishing, it is coiling for a leap. God knows where though!  :lol:
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Re: Why is Discordia more relevant than ever in the year 2008?
« Reply #249 on: September 03, 2012, 10:36:39 pm »
Cram is over at facebook. He posted on my sttus a couple of days ago. Might go to new york in autumn see how hes doing.

Right on. I regret that I never managed to bring myself to strike up real conversation with him.  Back when I first got here I was still desperately trying to figure out how to relate to the folks here and understand the social systems, if "system" is the right word.  If you get the chance, please send him my regards and let him know that I'd like a word with him... possibly many.

I haven't read this thread totally yet, but stuff like the OP is a perfect example of why I miss Cramulus. Why did that spag-king have to go?  I may have to do sOMething.

I can't speak for him, but I think he decided that PD wasn't the Discordianism he wanted.

What I gathered was that Cram needed a break from Discordia in general.

I find it doubtful that he could break from Discordia any more than he could pluck out his eye because it caused him to sin.  I would well understand the need to step back from the goings-on here for a space.  I suspect he went because he felt the need to go. I can't fault a cat for that.

PD is just a vehicle for ideas and social interaction. I happen to be enjoying the ride, but who knows what toll being here for so long could take.

He seems to still be doing stuff over at 23ae.

Yeah, I spotted that when I briefly Googled him up a bit.  I haven't gone over exactly WHAT he's been writing, but plan to rectify that today.  I was tempted to try to contact him through comment, but it smacked of distasteful creepy-ness. We'll just see how things go I guess.
Or I'll try to work up a campaign along the line of "Have you seen this spag?" "Wanted for crimes against decent reality" "Cramulus is not dead! Here's the SHOCKING photo-proof!" gonna have to figure out where and how to host/post photos.

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Here's my contribution to the thread.  Typing is laborious for me and lacks a certain feel and flow of an Idea.  I decided to do a short audio rant off of an even shorter set of notes and post it here.

http://kiwi6.com/file/10ttroh4ut

The down side to audio vs print is that I only had one shot and could not try to make my points crystal clear.
The up side is that I don't have to resort to emotes to project my feelings on a subject. 
I think it worked out well and hope you enjoy it.

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Re: Why is Discordia more relevant than ever in the year 2008?
« Reply #250 on: September 04, 2012, 02:23:21 pm »
I haven't read this thread totally yet, but stuff like the OP is a perfect example of why I miss Cramulus. Why did that spag-king have to go?  I may have to do sOMething.

I can't speak for him, but I think he decided that PD wasn't the Discordianism he wanted.

What I gathered was that Cram needed a break from Discordia in general.

He's still on FB Discordia.  Of course, it's relatively harmless.
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Re: Why is Discordia more relevant than ever in the year 2008?
« Reply #251 on: September 04, 2012, 08:45:29 pm »
I haven't read this thread totally yet, but stuff like the OP is a perfect example of why I miss Cramulus. Why did that spag-king have to go?  I may have to do sOMething.

I can't speak for him, but I think he decided that PD wasn't the Discordianism he wanted.

What I gathered was that Cram needed a break from Discordia in general.

What I gathered was that he isn't comfortable being called on his bullshit and has insurmountable difficulty admitting to being wrong, let alone that other people's feelings about the use of their creative works are valid, and so left rather than swallow his ego and deal with it. Which is really unfortunate because despite having ideological differences with Cram, I think that for the most part he's hilarious and brilliant and has a lot more to offer than just the appropriation and redevelopment of other people's ideas... and that even if that IS all he has to offer, he's remarkably good at it and could do a tremendous amount with it if he were able to relent in his pursuit of the limelight.
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Re: Why is Discordia more relevant than ever in the year 2008?
« Reply #252 on: September 04, 2012, 09:46:59 pm »
I haven't read this thread totally yet, but stuff like the OP is a perfect example of why I miss Cramulus. Why did that spag-king have to go?  I may have to do sOMething.

I can't speak for him, but I think he decided that PD wasn't the Discordianism he wanted.

What I gathered was that Cram needed a break from Discordia in general.

What I gathered was that he isn't comfortable being called on his bullshit and has insurmountable difficulty admitting to being wrong, let alone that other people's feelings about the use of their creative works are valid, and so left rather than swallow his ego and deal with it. Which is really unfortunate because despite having ideological differences with Cram, I think that for the most part he's hilarious and brilliant and has a lot more to offer than just the appropriation and redevelopment of other people's ideas... and that even if that IS all he has to offer, he's remarkably good at it and could do a tremendous amount with it if he were able to relent in his pursuit of the limelight.

It is very true that the talent in the limelight owes all of it's glamor to the stage hands in the shadows and the other players coming onto and off of the stage. Even more so it owes the audience; they are, presumably, PAYING for this shit in attention if not currency. 

Maybe this is what it means to be able to "swallow your own head" or somesuch. The ability to stuff down your ego when the situation requires it is always going to draw attention.  Having your head stuffed down your own throat, however, is also quite the show and Discordia seems to me to have always been a bit about audience participation when the act doesn't seem to be going as advertised.

I am annoyed that when I finally got my shit together after some REALLY difficult but strategically necessary changes IRL and could allow myself the luxury of a ticket to this carnival we humbly call PD... there was no Cramulus to be found! He's ON the goddamn bill! 

The other people here are NOT diminished for his absence, but I'm in the mood to get my money's worth even though I kind of just snuck in.  For my part I'm just about ready to Shine the limelight in his eyes 500% until his head explodes or he does in fact swallow it.  After all, I can't seem to walk away from this place, why should he? Did he think there wouldn't be consequences?  NOBODY just walks out on PD after all!!!   :lol:... :horrormirth:

All overdrahma aside, I hope to find a way to mess with him.  I won't pretend I don't need help, but I understand well that other folks have lives of their own and time is precious.  How could this not be fun though?
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Re: Why is Discordia more relevant than ever in the year 2008?
« Reply #253 on: September 04, 2012, 09:52:57 pm »
He's on Facebook, in the group Discordia 2011.

As for me, I was in an argument with him and some others.  To end the argument, I apologized to each of them individually.  He then asked for a second apology, which seems to have been some kind of victory condition.  I gave it to him, but it's the last thing he'll ever get from me.

I miss his ideas, and some of him.  I don't miss the lack of respect for anyone else that he demonstrated, and I don't miss the sort of shit I just described.  He's happy on FB, from what I can tell, and that's great.  Good on him. 
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
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Re: Why is Discordia more relevant than ever in the year 2008?
« Reply #254 on: September 04, 2012, 10:07:12 pm »
He's on Facebook, in the group Discordia 2011.

As for me, I was in an argument with him and some others.  To end the argument, I apologized to each of them individually.  He then asked for a second apology, which seems to have been some kind of victory condition.  I gave it to him, but it's the last thing he'll ever get from me.

I miss his ideas, and some of him.  I don't miss the lack of respect for anyone else that he demonstrated, and I don't miss the sort of shit I just described.  He's happy on FB, from what I can tell, and that's great.  Good on him. 

That may be very useful intel, thank you.

Before I go spagging off on a project over one man I should consider if it's worthwhile for reasons other than my pique and amusement. I do have other real and worthwhile things to put my efforts into. 

Do you (or anyone else paying attention) feel that PD would be better off with him or not?
If not,because he simply does not want to or because of qualitative reasons, would it be worth making him choke on his screams for the lulz?
You can't get out backward.  You have to go forward to go back.. better press on! - Willie Wonka, PBUH

Life can be seen as a game with no reset button, no extra lives, and if the power goes out there is no restarting.  If that's all you see life as you are not long for this world, and never will get it.

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 - Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality :lulz:

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- Billy, Aug 21st, 2019