Janvier's condensed crap.

[Payne]

Much of this discussion should be in O:MF, no?

[Adios]

Well, here's a thought. Lots of soldiers are willing to talk about their experiences in Iraq.

I say let them. A Youtube video of a shadowed cameo with a veteran talking about what really happened. Not the glossed over version. It would be a first step in discrediting the media, and with the sheep that listen to them it could snowball eventually into everything they say will (and should) be considered untrustworthy. As a source a guy that was there and in the mix would be a bit difficult to discredit. If our sources came under scrutiny we could always follow the same rules the media have been following and play the "Why don't you support our troops you must be a terrorist" card.

With some thought this could be very successful as in their arrogance and rush to get something on the air they have forgotten to cover their trail very well.

[singer]

Something learned during the "dirty hippie question authority '70's" was that it didn't seem to
accomplish very  much to challenge the viewers... but the fastest way to get the attention of
a news organization was to confront/challenge/embarrass the advertisers.

That seemed to garner much more coverage.

[Darth Cupcake]

Net I printed out a bunch of the posters last night. Left a couple in the School of Management building on campus where I had class, in those clear sleeves in the restroom stalls labeled "for student government use only." Also, hung some up in the pub I hit after class. The couple at the next table was trying to read it from a distance and kept giving me weird looks! They look awesome printed out.

[Janvier]

Something learned during the "dirty hippie question authority '70's" was that it didn't seem to
accomplish very  much to challenge the viewers... but the fastest way to get the attention of
a news organization was to confront/challenge/embarrass the advertisers.

That seemed to garner much more coverage.

I think I understand where you're going with this.
Nobody listens to a bunch of rambling liberals, because the public's preconceived notions about the truth more or less filter out the truth. They don't actually listen to the message. The way to make them listen could be engaging their anchormen/women in debate and discredit them by showing the phony nature of their reporting. The fact that one of "their guys" is on air makes them more receptive to any message that is broadcast.

Sound like it makes sense?

(PS I still think it's a bit of a pity I can't do any OPs in America myself. I guess I'll just focus on the Dutch bullshitters and hopefully gain some experience that way.)

[Golden Applesauce]

Nobody listens to a bunch of rambling

Fix'd

[Janvier]

Nobody listens to a bunch of rambling

Fix'd

Think I don't have anything to contribute?

[LMNO]

Nobody listens to a bunch of rambling

Fix'd

Think I don't have anything to contribute?

Let's put it this way, Janv...

There may be a possibility that you have something to contribute.

However, the method you are currently using to try to communicate that "something" has proven to be ineffective.

So much so that it appears to most of us that there is no message in your medium.

And because we have tried to let you know this (in various ways), and seen no discernable effect on your communication methods, the initial conclusion reached is that no, you don't have anything to contribute.

If you think we're wrong, please try issuing your premise, message, idea or point in a way that does not involve drug-crazed ramblings and pseudo-poetry.

[Janvier]

Nobody listens to a bunch of rambling

Fix'd

Think I don't have anything to contribute?

Let's put it this way, Janv...

There may be a possibility that you have something to contribute.

However, the method you are currently using to try to communicate that "something" has proven to be ineffective.

So much so that it appears to most of us that there is no message in your medium.

Well, that's a pity. Though I did consider that my message would only be open to the few. I don't really like convincing masses, it doesn't let you pick out the smartest ones.

And because we have tried to let you know this (in various ways), and seen no discernable effect on your communication methods, the initial conclusion reached is that no, you don't have anything to contribute.

Have you tried reading my rambling all the way through? I hear that helps for reading comprehension

If you think we're wrong, please try issuing your premise, message, idea or point in a way that does not involve drug-crazed ramblings and pseudo-poetry.

I'm not in the business of making it easy for people. My favorite piece of literature is Parmenides' poem, On Nature, which is also cryptic as hell. But of course, that makes the payoff better as well.

But you are right. I'll be working on some poems with more artistic integrity, as well as the aforementioned 5-act Tragedy devoted to Eris.

[LMNO]

I dunno man; I'm of the opinon that the Crowley/Gurdjieff gimmick of "hiding the bones" to be outdated and archaic. 

To me, the truth is weird enough as it is, and doesn't need to be gussied up and pimped out as some sort of esoterica.

[Janvier]

I dunno man; I'm of the opinon that the Crowley/Gurdjieff gimmick of "hiding the bones" to be outdated and archaic. 

To me, the truth is weird enough as it is, and doesn't need to be gussied up and pimped out as some sort of esoterica.

I suppose it might be outdated, but it's still where we've advanced from. I like to keep in touch with my roots.
Who then, is your preferred speaker of truth?

[LMNO]

Joey Ramone.

[Janvier]

Joey Ramone.

I've never really listened to punk out of fear of becoming a smelly ill-dressed vegan with a mutilated body and shit for brains.

[Payne]

Joey Ramone.

I've never really listened to punk out of fear of becoming a smelly ill-dressed vegan with a mutilated body and shit for brains.

....oops

[LMNO]

Joey Ramone.

I've never really listened to punk out of fear of becoming a smelly ill-dressed vegan with a mutilated body and shit for brains.

Wow, that's too bad.  I listen to punk, and I am a well-groomed omnivore with a tattoo and graduated with a 3.7 GPA.

Too bad about that fear you got.

[edit]

Maybe you should open yourself up to new experiences.