Authors and Playwrites

[LMNO]

I'm still waiting for Abr, though.

[Cain]

Haven't you been waiting like a week?

Lets have the damn conversation already.

[Verbal Mike]

What was the actual Secret(tm)?

[LMNO]

if you REALLY believe you want something, then the Universe will shape itself around your want.

[Jasper]

if you REALLY believe you want something, then the Universe will shape itself around your want.

Sounds pretty close to the Golden Sphere of Opportunity to me.

[Cain]

Sounds nothing like it.

Cars and money do not come simply because you want them.

[Verbal Mike]

Not simply, no.

[Iason Ouabache]

I'm still waiting for Abr, though.

He ain't coming back, alphaman. 

Simplest reason why The Secret appears to work is the same reason why people believe in prayer, prophecy and psychics: cherry picking. People selectively remember the few times that things coincidentally happened like they were supposed to happen and they conveniently forget the hundreds and thousands of times that nothing happened.  Humans remember the miracles and forget the mundane non-events that happen everyday.

[Roo]

if you REALLY believe you want something, then the Universe will shape itself around your want.

Or put another way:
If you want something, and you really believe that you can get it, and really believe that you deserve to have it, then you'll attract it into your life. Your persistent thoughts and beliefs become your reality.
Oh, and the universe doesn't recognize your negative thoughts and beliefs as negative, only neutral. So if you're thinking and believing that you don't want something to happen, the exact opposite will happen instead.

I don't know if it's true or not. But for now, my persistent thoughts of being broke and in debt are matching my reality of being broke and in debt.

[Telarus]

The Real Secret is that Advertisers, Politicians, Media, and now some 5GW nodes have leveraged The Secret to burden us all down with a bandoleer of attachments and desires, fears and lusts. We each carry around years of repeated exposure to ads for caffeinated beverages, ice cream, chocolate, nicotine, alcohol, guns, fast cars, and sexy people. And the Real Secret American Dream is You Can Have It Now!, and How Much Do You Want For It? They swirl there in the darkness of our subconscious, whispering sweet entropic death to our spare change and bank accounts.

So, welcome to Illumination, where Culture jacked our Wills over a millennia ago, so that the corn comes in on time, so that the trains run on time, so that we can bail out a 'free-market' to the tune of $700 Billion.

Have a Coke.

[Jasper]

Sounds nothing like it.

Cars and money do not come simply because you want them.

Well, indirectly and for concrete reasons.  After wanting them, things tend to happen that lead to them.

Call "The Secret" a distant cousin of The Golden Sphere.

[Abramelin]

Wasn't here for some time, sorry LMNO.

if you REALLY believe you want something, then the Universe will shape itself around your want.

This is the key message of the SECRET and it's wrong, I agree.

But the opposite is wrong as well, if you negate your wishes and dreams you will probably do nothing to ever reach it or not realise it.

So I agree to the SECRET that you have to belief in your goals to reach them.
I admit that isn't such a big thing and paying someone to tell me that is crap, but on the other side I think there are a bunch of people which don't believing in be able to reach anything just standing still and trying to keep status quo.

THE SECRET seems to me a bit like selling the information that water runs downhill mixed up with some deception.

The old pattern is used: if  the listener knows that one half of an statement is true the listener tends to take also the other half as proved truth.

One danger is that it is an illusion, an other which I tried to point out in my last post is that people who recognize it as illusion does also reject the hole thing and get possibly then from a too-positive beliefsystem to a too-negative beliefsystem.

A person in the second perspective is usually easier to control.

Including a section that explains the physical mechanics of this would be helpful as well.

There are, i think, no physical mechanics.
But believing causes motivation, and motivation causes actions, which can have physical consequences.

To go back to the topic with the "be the author"-idea:

I find this an interesting thought

It doesn't look like so lipism for me, although it's near that. It doesn't say that everything out their is only you imagination, it says that your view is influenced and changed, the things are changed for you just because you think about them.I agree to that.

The Author... maybe it means that you're acting and not only reacting (on environment and/or your feelings) ?

That reeks of THE SECRET®.

What I meant is not that thing X (=a chair, or a person, or whatever you like to insert here) change physically if you think about it (X) (that sais THE SECRET and seems wrong).
but X changes in the perspective of the person who thinks about X, because you brain is interpreting whatever you sense of X
That's an other layer then in the SECRET.
And I guess with the initial post in this thread is meant that it is better if you are aware of this, it isn't absolute perspective.

Do you see my point now?

[Abramelin]

I'm still waiting for Abr, though.

He ain't coming back, alphaman. 

I am, you failed prophet.

[LMNO]

Welcome back.  I think I know where you're coming from.

So, here goes:

The Secret™ is the Law of Fives wrapped up in the Quarter Trick, surrounded by narcissistic solipsism, and packaged by Marketing.

It is entirely Internal, but for people who have never tried Metaprogramming, it will appear to be External. The Secret™ counts on this fact to continue to manipulate people into buying more Stuff that will "help" them shape the Universe.

The big thing to note here is that the goal of The Secret™ is not to help people metaprogram their brain to bring happiness, it's to funnel them into a reality tunnel where, when things don't go their way, they blame themselves, and buy more Product to "help" them overcome their problems.

Much like Scientology.  The basic rules and excercises reprogram your perceptions, but only so far as to put you in another cage, based around specific consumerism.

[Abramelin]

Welcome back.  I think I know where you're coming from.

So, here goes:

The Secret™ is the Law of Fives wrapped up in the Quarter Trick, surrounded by narcissistic solipsism, and packaged by Marketing.

It is entirely Internal, but for people who have never tried Metaprogramming, it will appear to be External. The Secret™ counts on this fact to continue to manipulate people into buying more Stuff that will "help" them shape the Universe.

The big thing to note here is that the goal of The Secret™ is not to help people metaprogram their brain to bring happiness, it's to funnel them into a reality tunnel where, when things don't go their way, they blame themselves, and buy more Product to "help" them overcome their problems.

Much like Scientology.  The basic rules and excercises reprogram your perceptions, but only so far as to put you in another cage, based around specific consumerism.

Yeah, that's it!
Nice explained!

Where you think I'm coming from?