The Paradoxical Logic of Order

[Honey]

I came.  I saw.  I played.  *hah!* 

It's no more an illusion than anythingelse.

It is as reasonable to represent one kind of imprisonment by another, as it is to represent anything that really exists by that which exists not.
-Daniel Defoe

[LMNO]

You totally ignored everything I said about tradition, didn't you?  Have you factored ideology into your statements whatsoever (think of Lenin crushing the democratic workers councils in the Soviet Union - the ones which were meant to arise according to Communist theory).  Every ideological system or tradition transcends itself by using methods or undertaking actions which, according to that system, are verboten and run contrary to their beliefs.

Also, my point only needs to be valid in the real world.  I'm not playing with theory here, I'm concerned with how people actually act and what they actually do.  Metaphysics is a crock of shit.

Cain, could I sum this up as, "When a System establishes Absolute Rules to bring about Order, they must behave in a Disorderly way and break the Rules to perpetuate the System."?

If I have it completely wrong, please correct me.  I do not mean to put words in your mouth.

[Cain]

That's exactly my point.  It has nothing to do with predictability or universal randomness or anything else - its simply that every system is impure, and the people who most perpetuate the system are the least pure of them all.

EVERY

SINGLE

TIME

[LMNO]

Well, you've got my agreement...

[Rhys Rhaven]

I do believe I said " Makes sense, I relent " about 11 posts ago. :\ Maybe unlike some here, I do acknowledge when I am incorrect. I agree with the op.

An entirely new discussion, the end of my last post was more on absolute physical sense of chaos, which has nothing to do with this thread. Excuse me. I shall ask again elsewhere. As for my "science bullshit," do throw your ordered semi-conductor based machine that works specifically due to the orderliness and predictability of electrons, since it is obviously science based bullshit. (I'm talking about the computer/internet/server system we are having this discussion on.)

Cheers.

[Golden Applesauce]

Well, I give up.  Time to sit back and enjoy the show.

[Wind rider]

ordered semi-conductor based machine that works specifically due to the orderliness and predictability of electrons

But it's the holes that make semi-conductors work...