What do you REALLY believe?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I still think god is an impersonal universal creative metaforce that gave way to Life and The Process of Sustaining.

RUBBISH!

God is a very real individual, who just happens to hate us all.

That's why he made Celine Dion.

And why I got my tongue stuck in that printer that time.

[Rococo Modem Basilisk]

I gotta say, the model that seems most accurate to me for some underlying force of the universe is actually a simplification and de-personalization of pre-institutional zoroastrianism... The ongoing competition between Druj (information entropy) and Ahura Mazda (negentropy), or in other words, the balance of the forces of order and the forces of chaos. Obviously, the order vs chaos thing is an oversimplification -- much of negentropy would be considered chaos, and much of entropy would be considered order, since information content is inversely proportional to the meeting of expectations.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

You mean, sort of like how in Discordianism, chaos encompasses everything, and within chaos is order and disorder?

[Vene]

It's always good to be able to knock an anthropologist down a peg or two.

Usen is the overarching force of existence, the uninvolved force that drives... well, everything. It is neither male nor female, it is "everything". I mean, it's pretty vague.

Most anthropologists translate Usen as "God", but to call it a god is a little naive. It's just what IS. It's what started everything. It doesn't have a personality. It doesn't care about anyone personally. Usen is what set the universe into motion. It is linguistically categorized as "he" but is neither male nor female... it couldn't be, as it exists on a level on which male and female are totally irrelevant. "Usen" is probably best translated as "The world" or "The universe".

That sounds a lot like pantheism the me.

[Rococo Modem Basilisk]

You mean, sort of like how in Discordianism, chaos encompasses everything, and within chaos is order and disorder?

Kind of, except that entropy and negentropy don't cleanly correlate to order and chaos any more than good and evil do. But it's the same kind of balance; mostly just that the active domains are separated from the passive domains. Negentropy is close to what McKenna called 'novelty' -- it is basically new and interesting ideas, and the level of negentropy is determined by how difficult it is to predict by referring to existing order, while meanwhile negentropy adds to the existing order, while entropy breaks down order into disorder and adds stuff back into the pool of 'stuff' that negentropy draws from. Sort of like cutting the individual words out of a book and sticking them in a hat: cutting them up is entropy, and picking them out and making sentences out of them that weren't in the original book is negentropy, and it's entropy again when you get bored and stick them back in the hat.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

You mean, sort of like how in Discordianism, chaos encompasses everything, and within chaos is order and disorder?

Kind of, except that entropy and negentropy don't cleanly correlate to order and chaos any more than good and evil do. But it's the same kind of balance; mostly just that the active domains are separated from the passive domains. Negentropy is close to what McKenna called 'novelty' -- it is basically new and interesting ideas, and the level of negentropy is determined by how difficult it is to predict by referring to existing order, while meanwhile negentropy adds to the existing order, while entropy breaks down order into disorder and adds stuff back into the pool of 'stuff' that negentropy draws from. Sort of like cutting the individual words out of a book and sticking them in a hat: cutting them up is entropy, and picking them out and making sentences out of them that weren't in the original book is negentropy, and it's entropy again when you get bored and stick them back in the hat.

Your example reminded me of Mal-2's statement:

He becomes free to play order games and change them at will. He becomes free to play disorder games just for the hell of it. He becomes free to play neither or both. And as the master of his own games, he plays without fear, and therefore without frustration, and therefore with good will in his soul and love in his being.

[Cain]

I believe I can fly!
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[Iason Ouabache]

I still think god is an impersonal universal creative metaforce that gave way to Life and The Process of Sustaining.

RUBBISH!

God is a very real individual, who just happens to hate us all.

That's why he made Celine Dion.

And why I got my tongue stuck in that printer that time.

TGRR: Minister of Maltheism.

[Jasper]

An update of my youthfully malleable beliefs:

I've conceived of a dualistic approach that is similar to Cartesian Dualism.  There is matter and energy, which I am freely applying my vague understanding of physics to be merely Energy.  All matter is (in the sense that I intend it) Energy.  So the physical universe is just Energy.  Then there's Information, which I'm taking to be any abstract form, as per Plato.  Information and Energy shape everything there is, in this dualistic approach.  Everything from mere objects caused by natural processes (Plain Energy), ideas (Plain Information), and minds (a mix of Energy and Information). 

That's my ontological belief matrix thing.  For now.

[Cainad (dec.)]

I believe that I can't be arsed to articulate my metaphysical beliefs because I'll just end up changing my mind anyway.

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

I believe that I can't be arsed to articulate my metaphysical beliefs because I'll just end up changing my mind anyway.

Same here.

But maybe it's worth a shot.

The record of changes could be enlightening as well.

Problem is I live inside of Adobe programs, books, and the soft bosom of my girlfriend these days.

Unfortunately, in that order.

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

An update of my youthfully malleable beliefs:

I've conceived of a dualistic approach that is similar to Cartesian Dualism.  There is matter and energy, which I am freely applying my vague understanding of physics to be merely Energy.  All matter is (in the sense that I intend it) Energy.  So the physical universe is just Energy.  Then there's Information, which I'm taking to be any abstract form, as per Plato.  Information and Energy shape everything there is, in this dualistic approach.  Everything from mere objects caused by natural processes (Plain Energy), ideas (Plain Information), and minds (a mix of Energy and Information). 

That's my ontological belief matrix thing.  For now.

Felix!

IS THAT YUO?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

An update of my youthfully malleable beliefs:

I've conceived of a dualistic approach that is similar to Cartesian Dualism.  There is matter and energy, which I am freely applying my vague understanding of physics to be merely Energy.  All matter is (in the sense that I intend it) Energy.  So the physical universe is just Energy.  Then there's Information, which I'm taking to be any abstract form, as per Plato.  Information and Energy shape everything there is, in this dualistic approach.  Everything from mere objects caused by natural processes (Plain Energy), ideas (Plain Information), and minds (a mix of Energy and Information). 

That's my ontological belief matrix thing.  For now.

Do we know you?

[Jasper]

Hi Roger.  Hi Net.

[Cainad (dec.)]

I believe that I can't be arsed to articulate my metaphysical beliefs because I'll just end up changing my mind anyway.

Same here.

But maybe it's worth a shot.

The record of changes could be enlightening as well.

Problem is I live inside of Adobe programs, books, and the soft bosom of my girlfriend these days.

Unfortunately, in that order.

True, recording the changes can be interesting. I'd just rather not record it in the form of a series of definitive statements that I end up disagreeing with.