What do you REALLY believe?

[Kai]

un-tossing salad requires a "retro-retractive" toll for wastelands to grow, so,
in lieu of any catch-22, look what the cat dragged in tonight... (eh, next post
will explain how we made it to the bathroom in Casablanka)

Enki]-[, did you let  ZALGoS in here to have an account? Just curious, cause this poster sounds /very/ familiar.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

un-tossing salad requires a "retro-retractive" toll for wastelands to grow, so,
in lieu of any catch-22, look what the cat dragged in tonight... (eh, next post
will explain how we made it to the bathroom in Casablanka)

do you wanna say it or shall i?

Go right ahead.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Oh, please let it be a fucking bot made by Enki.

Oh, please please please.

[Roaring Biscuit!]

Oh, please let it be a fucking bot made by Enki.

Oh, please please please.

i was gonna rock the "where do we get these fuckos" - TGRR (thats you!) angle, but that is also appropriate.

[Thurnez Isa]

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I'm getting impatient

[Bu🤠ns]

I guess my best answer so far is: I don't know anything with enough certainty to answer that question


I checked off Agnostic on the survey ITT.

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AFTER AGNOSTICISM, WHAT'S LEFT?

I think Agnosticism  (maybe ignosticism back a couple pages?) is what it eventually boils down for me too.  I think the moment one identifies something as a 'belief' the mortar for one's BIP is hardened.  There are beliefs out there that may seem comforting but then the world is defined and it becomes a 'This and not this' situation.  This, i think, is what creates fear.  One ends up siding with the 'good' side of a belief and shuns the 'bad'.  Constant aversion builds up and one is fucked. Rather, that which is feared becomes an lesser option rather than an aversion. It seems to me that living spontaneously is more thrilling and creates more novelty than going around trying to 'fit' the world into a predefined model.  Honestly, even calling it 'agnosticism/ignosticism' implies definition ... but i'll use it for lack of a better term.

The basis of things as a perpetual falling, while, every now and then, stopping and allowing myself to be seduced with various ideas really works for me.

I see no sense in creating a division between myself, my environment, what is spiritual, what is material, and so on.   

As to the mushroom thing, I've heard TGRR say that it's not a religious experience...that you're just 'high' before.  But if I consider everything around me as a religious experience then there is no division but simply a different perspective that may or may not be useful. Heh,  I don't really know if that is agreeing or disagreeing. 

anyhow, that's me, atm.

[Kai]

 

I think the moment one identifies something as a 'belief' the mortar for one's BIP is hardened.  There are beliefs out there that may seem comforting but then the world is defined and it becomes a 'This and not this' situation.  This, i think, is what creates fear.  One ends up siding with the 'good' side of a belief and shuns the 'bad'.  Constant aversion builds up and one is fucked. Rather, that which is feared becomes an lesser option rather than an aversion. It seems to me that living spontaneously is more thrilling and creates more novelty than going around trying to 'fit' the world into a predefined model.

I don't know if getting caught in perpetual existential thought is good either though. If you want to change your BIP, you have to have a cell to work with. If you want to alter your maps, you have to have a map to start from. You can only change whats actually there, so starting from a point of stability is good.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

If you had said something about "eating the menu", you might have achieved maximum meme density.

BIP ---> drowned in its own jargon.

[Bu🤠ns]

I think the moment one identifies something as a 'belief' the mortar for one's BIP is hardened.  There are beliefs out there that may seem comforting but then the world is defined and it becomes a 'This and not this' situation.  This, i think, is what creates fear.  One ends up siding with the 'good' side of a belief and shuns the 'bad'.  Constant aversion builds up and one is fucked. Rather, that which is feared becomes an lesser option rather than an aversion. It seems to me that living spontaneously is more thrilling and creates more novelty than going around trying to 'fit' the world into a predefined model.

I don't know if getting caught in perpetual existential thought is good either though. If you want to change your BIP, you have to have a cell to work with. If you want to alter your maps, you have to have a map to start from. You can only change whats actually there, so starting from a point of stability is good.

I don't really think that perpetual existential thought or even changing the BIP is really what i was getting at.  I'm more suggesting about watching thoughts without identifying with them therefore operating under a more spontaneous approach.  I used the BIP metaphor simply because on this board it's one that most of us are familiar with (but has apparently become rather tiresome).

I'm saying that a blank piece of paper in lieu of a map is a more useful approach for me right now.  I'd say that my point of stability is throwing away the map and looking at the ground under my feet.  Along the way I might enjoy other models like i would enjoy sniffing various types of flowers but there's no sense of picking them from the ground.

Anyway, I hope that makes sense -- I don't want to get too caught up in metaphor. 

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I think the moment one identifies something as a 'belief' the mortar for one's BIP is hardened.  There are beliefs out there that may seem comforting but then the world is defined and it becomes a 'This and not this' situation.  This, i think, is what creates fear.  One ends up siding with the 'good' side of a belief and shuns the 'bad'.  Constant aversion builds up and one is fucked. Rather, that which is feared becomes an lesser option rather than an aversion. It seems to me that living spontaneously is more thrilling and creates more novelty than going around trying to 'fit' the world into a predefined model.

I don't know if getting caught in perpetual existential thought is good either though. If you want to change your BIP, you have to have a cell to work with. If you want to alter your maps, you have to have a map to start from. You can only change whats actually there, so starting from a point of stability is good.

An excellent point. If we make maps from existing maps, then we're only making a map of a map... not a map of territory. Our map would have all the flaws and errors of the first map... plus whatever additional semantic errors we've tossed in my reworking it... it would be further separated from the real territory, rather than becoming a better map.

Copying a bad map doesn't make it better... 

I don't really think that perpetual existential thought or even changing the BIP is really what i was getting at.  I'm more suggesting about watching thoughts without identifying with them therefore operating under a more spontaneous approach.  I used the BIP metaphor simply because on this board it's one that most of us are familiar with (but has apparently become rather tiresome).

I'm saying that a blank piece of paper in lieu of a map is a more useful approach for me right now.  I'd say that my point of stability is throwing away the map and looking at the ground under my feet.  Along the way I might enjoy other models like i would enjoy sniffing various types of flowers but there's no sense of picking them from the ground.

Anyway, I hope that makes sense -- I don't want to get too caught up in metaphor. 

[Juana]

Bump.


I'm doing a paper on Discordianism and would like to have a vague idea of belief rates from a larger pool than the 143 who voted prior. If you haven't voted, kindly do.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

i accidentally explained my belief in a higher being to my friend thusly:

Friend: when did you realize you didn't believe in god?
Me: that's a long, sad story.
F: okay i won't ask then. but seriously, do you believe in anything?
M: yeah, but it's nothing like "god." that just seems silly to me.
F: okay but whatever it is, why would it allow suffering <etc etc etc>
M: Maybe because it's too big and complex to be aware of us as individuals. Maybe it is to us as we are to cells in our body, or macroeconomics is to you buying a bag of weed.
F: uhh... i think you blew my mind just now. so god is whatever everything adds up to?
M: no, whatever it adds up to is just whatever it adds up to. "god" is the fact that it adds up.

[Jasper]

That's an interesting take.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

That's an interesting take.

I always thought that was a possibility if there is a god- we're just too small to account for.

Voted, btw

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

i accidentally explained my belief in a higher being to my friend thusly:

Friend: when did you realize you didn't believe in god?
Me: that's a long, sad story.
F: okay i won't ask then. but seriously, do you believe in anything?
M: yeah, but it's nothing like "god." that just seems silly to me.
F: okay but whatever it is, why would it allow suffering <etc etc etc>
M: Maybe because it's too big and complex to be aware of us as individuals. Maybe it is to us as we are to cells in our body, or macroeconomics is to you buying a bag of weed.
F: uhh... i think you blew my mind just now. so god is whatever everything adds up to?
M: no, whatever it adds up to is just whatever it adds up to. "god" is the fact that it adds up.

Shades of Flatland, ITT.