ITT we define god

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

"Always was" makes no sense whatsoever; it's the equivalent of "just because I say so".

"What came before that?" always ends in a "just so" story, no matter who the story teller is.

[Cain]

Sounds like one of the teleological arguments.  Which are full of flaws including infinite regression, committees of gods, demons, brains in jars, carrots and theories based on evidence, to name but a few.

[hunter s.durden]

"Always was" makes no sense whatsoever; it's the equivalent of "just because I say so".

Do you completely reject the idea of "always was"? Is it not even a possibility to you?

[LMNO]

It makes sense in a poetic, oxymoronic, paradoxial word-game sort of way, sure.

Does it answer the question?  Hell no!

[hunter s.durden]

It makes sense in a poetic, oxymoronic, paradoxial word-game sort of way, sure.

Does it answer the question?  Hell no!

Couldn't a God be "outside" of time?

[LMNO]

Do you have any idea of what that's supposed to mean?

Again, it's an interesting poetic term, but it begs explanation.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Do you have any idea of what that's supposed to mean?

Again, it's an interesting poetic term, but it begs explanation.

Well, if the universe is a 6D Hypercube (LxWxHxPastxPresentxFuture), then it would mean that Deity was outside of that Cube.

[LMNO]

But time is a rate of change.

If Diety acts, it is a change, and therefore, of Time.

[Cain]

Most Judeo-Christian concept of God acknowledge that God can only do that which is logically possible, and there are good grounds to believe that existing out of time is not logically possible.

[hunter s.durden]

Do you have any idea of what that's supposed to mean?

Again, it's an interesting poetic term, but it begs explanation.

A. No. But that's the point. If I understood it, I would be God. Some of these concepts can't simply be explain in human terms or even thoughts. One analogy I liked what that man contemplating God is like an ant contemplating a fire truck.

B. Even with our limited understanding of things we already know that time is relative, not concrete as previously thought. Why can't something have "no time"?

But time is a rate of change.

If Diety acts, it is a change, and therefore, of Time.

To us. See: Dr. Manhattan. It's happening, but also already happened, but also has will happen. Time is our reference, not Gods.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

But time is a rate of change.

If Diety acts, it is a change, and therefore, of Time.

If the Deity is outside, looking at The Universe in its 6D hypercube on his desk (complete topo features and  the nice wooden dowel and stand through Galactic Center, so he can spin it) he would be outside of time in the sense it is referenced in the cube... if however he stuck his fingers into the cube and twiddled with stuff... he would be acting in time (in the sense it is referenced in the cube).

Do you have any idea of what that's supposed to mean?

Again, it's an interesting poetic term, but it begs explanation.

A. No. But that's the point. If I understood it, I would be God. Some of these concepts can't simply be explain in human terms or even thoughts. One analogy I liked what that man contemplating God is like an ant contemplating a fire truck.

B. Even with our limited understanding of things we already know that time is relative, not concrete as previously thought. Why can't something have "no time"?

But time is a rate of change.

If Diety acts, it is a change, and therefore, of Time.

To us. See: Dr. Manhattan. It's happening, but also already happened, but also has will happen. Time is our reference, not Gods.

Flatland ITT

[Richter]

Do you have any idea of what that's supposed to mean?

Again, it's an interesting poetic term, but it begs explanation.

As interesting an assertion as saying there IS God in the first place? 

[Kai]

I figure it's close to the phrase, "God is a Verb."

For YHVH that's literal:

I AM
or
He Causes To Become

For the Jews, God was a verb.

God as the force which causes existence?  That's a very ephemeral concept, by itself, but it's one that bear pondering.

"God is a universal creative metaforce of emergence."

[hunter s.durden]

YES FLATLAND! Thanks, Ratty.

I was going to reference that, but couldn't remember if anyone on here would know what the fuck I'm talking about.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

YES FLATLAND! Thanks, Ratty.

I was going to reference that, but couldn't remember if anyone on here would know what the fuck I'm talking about.

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