BIP revamp?

[Roaring Biscuit!]

Hey, I've been reading around these forums for a few days (and seemingly managed to piss a few peeps off in that time, but thats ok),

I noticed in some (rather old threads :/)  That people felt the original BIP was too dark, and also (maybe the same thread..) that it might be cool to redo (it is Kopylefted right?) the BIP in a slightly more upbeat way (if its possible) and also in a more illustration based way.

What I had in mind was something where the main theme of each page was taken, illustrated then some of the key parts of the original writing (so it still makes sense) incorporated into the artwork.

Tis something that I'd quite like to do regardless of what others think, but you know, its nice to have some encouragement, plus I could really do with a working link to a BIP download (.pdf or .doc are both fine)

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edd

[Cramulus]

yeah, go for it. The BIP is Kopyleft - anyone may remix and remaster it. I think everybody should rewrite a text or two during their time as a Discordian. Here's a link to a PDF and .doc

http://ifile.it/5fic16n
http://ifile.it/1z85k0t

[LMNO]

Have you come across the GSP yet?

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=11605.0

[Roaring Biscuit!]

Seems like a similar idea, though my "revamp" was going to focus largely on an aesthetic principal (for people like me, who are sucked in by a meaning in a pretty picture ).  I may read through some more of that, I was also going to cut down on some of the preachiness in the BIP(apologies in advance to those who wrote it and may find that comment offensive), as my main issue with that is that it seems to be quite against the TFY,S! attitude.

I think it was some reference to that thread that i saw, as I don't remember reading all that :P

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edd

[Cramulus]

my main issue with that is that it seems to be quite against the TFY,S! attitude.

could you expand on this a bit? I'm not sure that I follow. I always felt TFY,S was a dominant theme.

[Roaring Biscuit!]

it is a dominant theme, but its a dominant theme that is FORCED on the reader, which I felt to be sorta hypocritical, that was just how I felt on reading it.  Thats not really clear... I'll try again:

I just mean at times the message seems to very forward/one-sided, like a bad piece of propoganda, and I think to put it like this:  Here is your problem, here is my solution, follow my way...  isn't that basically doing the very thing you were trying (in my interpretation) to critique with the Black Sheep are still Sheep meme?

Thats only a viewpoint though (that I hope to correct, in my view, with the revamp...)

Just thoughts as always,

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edd

[Requia ☣]

I would point out that Roger has specifically stated he doesn't want his works changed.

[Roaring Biscuit!]

Not changed at all?  i didn't really intend to re-write anything but I had intended to cut some things down a bit... though I'm sure I can find a way to either leave them totally unchanged or fill the gap with something else :/  though I'd rather not

[LMNO]

You'll find TGRR is very posessive about his work.

[P3nT4gR4m]

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[Roaring Biscuit!]

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so whats this about 50 posts?

[Cramulus]

the local tradition (read: not a rule) is that people get 50 posts to get up to speed and get a sense for the energy of this place. During those 50 posts, some people will refrain from flaming you. It's like a safety bubble for newbies. After 50 posts, the gloves come off, I suppose.

personally, I don't know what people are getting worked up about ITT.

[Roaring Biscuit!]

I'm going to treasure these last 17 (now 16) posts...

[LMNO]

The 50 Post Suggestion was created by the incandescent Hoshiko, who noticed that our idea of Fun was sometimes a bit offputting to people unfamiliar with this forum.

So, she suggested that we give new members 50 posts to get the feel for how we post here.  If, after 50 posts, they want to stick around, they should have enough information about how we treat each other here.

[LMNO]

personally, I don't know what people are getting worked up about ITT.

You forget; P3nt is a dick.