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The Fascist Virus: Recognition

Started by Cain, April 19, 2009, 05:16:07 PM

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Corvidia

#15
April 23, 2009, 11:52:39 PM
Quote from: potato on April 23, 2009, 04:42:53 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 19, 2009, 05:16:07 PM
I would hazard a guess, based on my own reaction, it would mean something like this: terror from above.  Racism.  Hatred.  Totalitarianism.  Intolerance beyond measure.  Messianic belief in the destiny of a chosen group.  Fealty and absolute obedience to a leader above all.  Genocide.  Conquest.  Symbology and muddled occult/religious thought.  Regimented masses.  Spying and torture and concentration camps.  A world drowning in rape and murder on a scale never seen before or since.
I feel inadequate to respond because I'm so completely naive when it comes to politics and sociology, yet I'm compelled to respond because reading this has given me some insight to how I lived for 20 years and makes me want to explore the connection.

I lived in a fascist... nay, extremely fascist religious cult cobbled together to support the control by a single man over every detail of the followers lives. I lived sometimes completely sequestered from outsiders, and always separate. looking back on it with this bit of perspective raises the hair on the back of my neck. there were deaths. rapes. suicides after closed-door meetings. witch-hunts. isolation. weapons training. mental conditioning to kill under certain conditions.

I need to learn more. something amorphous in my mind is beginning to take shape, finally.

Any change we'll see whatever it is that shapes up? And what cult was that?
One for sorrow,
Two for joy,
Three for a girl,
Four for a boy,
Five for silver,
Six for gold,
Seven for a secret never to be told.

potato

#16
April 24, 2009, 12:03:49 AM
Quote from: Laughtrack on April 23, 2009, 11:52:39 PM
Quote from: potato on April 23, 2009, 04:42:53 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 19, 2009, 05:16:07 PM
I would hazard a guess, based on my own reaction, it would mean something like this: terror from above.  Racism.  Hatred.  Totalitarianism.  Intolerance beyond measure.  Messianic belief in the destiny of a chosen group.  Fealty and absolute obedience to a leader above all.  Genocide.  Conquest.  Symbology and muddled occult/religious thought.  Regimented masses.  Spying and torture and concentration camps.  A world drowning in rape and murder on a scale never seen before or since.
I feel inadequate to respond because I'm so completely naive when it comes to politics and sociology, yet I'm compelled to respond because reading this has given me some insight to how I lived for 20 years and makes me want to explore the connection.

I lived in a fascist... nay, extremely fascist religious cult cobbled together to support the control by a single man over every detail of the followers lives. I lived sometimes completely sequestered from outsiders, and always separate. looking back on it with this bit of perspective raises the hair on the back of my neck. there were deaths. rapes. suicides after closed-door meetings. witch-hunts. isolation. weapons training. mental conditioning to kill under certain conditions.

I need to learn more. something amorphous in my mind is beginning to take shape, finally.

Any change we'll see whatever it is that shapes up? And what cult was that?
at this point I think it may come out as an essay, at which time I'll reveal the name of the cult out of necessity, but for now I prefer that the cult's internet monitors not know I'm even thinking of writing something.

I've been asking around for good sources of information about fascism. if anyone can recommend books, sites, I'm open to suggestions.
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Corvidia

#17
April 24, 2009, 12:13:40 AM
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Quote from: potato on April 24, 2009, 12:03:49 AM
Quote from: Laughtrack on April 23, 2009, 11:52:39 PM
Any change we'll see whatever it is that shapes up? And what cult was that?
at this point I think it may come out as an essay, at which time I'll reveal the name of the cult out of necessity, but for now I prefer that the cult's internet monitors not know I'm even thinking of writing something.
Sounds quite scary.  :sad:

Benito Mussolini's Doctrine of Fascism is a good place to start, yes?
One for sorrow,
Two for joy,
Three for a girl,
Four for a boy,
Five for silver,
Six for gold,
Seven for a secret never to be told.

potato

#18
April 24, 2009, 01:00:37 AM
Quote from: Laughtrack on April 24, 2009, 12:13:40 AM
[http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=20596.15;num_replies=16#top
Quote from: potato on April 24, 2009, 12:03:49 AM
Quote from: Laughtrack on April 23, 2009, 11:52:39 PM
Any change we'll see whatever it is that shapes up? And what cult was that?
at this point I think it may come out as an essay, at which time I'll reveal the name of the cult out of necessity, but for now I prefer that the cult's internet monitors not know I'm even thinking of writing something.
Sounds quite scary.  :sad:

Benito Mussolini's Doctrine of Fascism is a good place to start, yes?
it's not as scary as it sounds. they won't come after me, not directly... not now. ten years ago they would have, probably in the middle of the night. but not now. they're too few in number, and lawsuits and the internet have made them cautious.

I was wondering if mussolini would be the place to start, so I'll check my local library. thanks :)
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potato

#19
April 24, 2009, 01:04:29 AM
didn't even have to go that far! I love the internet.
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#20
April 24, 2009, 01:44:46 AM
Quote from: potato on April 24, 2009, 12:03:49 AM
Quote from: Laughtrack on April 23, 2009, 11:52:39 PM
Quote from: potato on April 23, 2009, 04:42:53 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 19, 2009, 05:16:07 PM
I would hazard a guess, based on my own reaction, it would mean something like this: terror from above.  Racism.  Hatred.  Totalitarianism.  Intolerance beyond measure.  Messianic belief in the destiny of a chosen group.  Fealty and absolute obedience to a leader above all.  Genocide.  Conquest.  Symbology and muddled occult/religious thought.  Regimented masses.  Spying and torture and concentration camps.  A world drowning in rape and murder on a scale never seen before or since.
I feel inadequate to respond because I'm so completely naive when it comes to politics and sociology, yet I'm compelled to respond because reading this has given me some insight to how I lived for 20 years and makes me want to explore the connection.

I lived in a fascist... nay, extremely fascist religious cult cobbled together to support the control by a single man over every detail of the followers lives. I lived sometimes completely sequestered from outsiders, and always separate. looking back on it with this bit of perspective raises the hair on the back of my neck. there were deaths. rapes. suicides after closed-door meetings. witch-hunts. isolation. weapons training. mental conditioning to kill under certain conditions.

I need to learn more. something amorphous in my mind is beginning to take shape, finally.

Any change we'll see whatever it is that shapes up? And what cult was that?
at this point I think it may come out as an essay, at which time I'll reveal the name of the cult out of necessity, but for now I prefer that the cult's internet monitors not know I'm even thinking of writing something.

I've been asking around for good sources of information about fascism. if anyone can recommend books, sites, I'm open to suggestions.

Dammit, I wish Cain were here, he could probably give you a reading list a page long and links to them in .pdf form.

I don't blame you for not naming the cult, I've noticed how they have a pack of hyenas who search for mentions and then harass people online. And probably offline, I assume. I'm glad they're dying out.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

Payne

#21
April 24, 2009, 01:56:11 AM
If it's any kind of consolation, I too have a reading list and PDF files about Fascism.

Granted, I got them from Cain, but I do have them.

potato

#22
April 24, 2009, 03:13:42 AM
Quote from: Nigel on April 24, 2009, 01:44:46 AM
I don't blame you for not naming the cult, I've noticed how they have a pack of hyenas who search for mentions and then harass people online. And probably offline, I assume. I'm glad they're dying out.
I am, too. it'll take a long time for their misfit offspring to die off, but it gives me hope for the future.
Quote from: Payne on April 24, 2009, 01:56:11 AM
If it's any kind of consolation, I too have a reading list and PDF files about Fascism.

Granted, I got them from Cain, but I do have them.
I would love to get that list!
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